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Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

On 11/5/19 4:11 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > The FSF has given out an award in support of Secure Boot-related work, > so its approach to the matter is rather ambiguous. Looking through fsf.org I couldn't find any award in support of "Secure Boot" related work, would you mind pointing me to it? The

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

It does not matter how common this way of doing buisness is. It is still a blatant violation of the Copyright holders terms. The Copyright holder has allowed GrSecurity to do something they, by default, have no right to do (create and distribute [non-seperable] derivative works), ONLY if they f

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

I was describing the steps one needs to go through to get a Gnu/Linux system installed on a laptop. I did it a month or two ago. It's not as easy as it was in the past because of secure boot. You must use the pre-installed OS to disable the secure boot: you _cannot_ do it from the bios. On 20

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

Getting GNU/Linux onto a laptop these days is quite the difficulty if you don't know what you're doing because of Secure Boot. It's not a plug and play thing like once it was. Probably discourages alot of users. Linux doesn't have any security after GrSecurity went proprietary (something that

Will RMS be back to Programming now?

I was wondering; will RMS be back to programming now, for the gnu system, and other things perhaps? I think all us hackers missed him. People kept saying "he doesn't program anymore, what has he done lately" etc. Will he do it now? And at an ever increasing clip? I totally relate to everything

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

* nipponmail: > You are incorrect. GPL version 2 section 6 states that one shall not add > additional restrictions between the agreement between the licensee and > further licensees. It governs that relationship vis-a-vis the protected > Work. > > GrSecurity has, indeed, stipulated an additiona

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* Jean Louis: > * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]: >> Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new >> laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems >> that can be installed without disabling said locks, and they are signed by >> micr

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)? - BP and EFF have addressed

Bruce Perens and the EFF have addressed this, it is indeed a violation to add an additional restrictive term such as that: they are threatening a penalty, using a negative covenant, if the customer utilizes the permissions granted to him (and GrSecurity) by the Copyright holder of the original

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

You are incorrect. GPL version 2 section 6 states that one shall not add additional restrictions between the agreement between the licensee and further licensees. It governs that relationship vis-a-vis the protected Work. GrSecurity has, indeed, stipulated an additional restrictive term. From:

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)? - He is violating, but you can also rescind the license

You do know, correct?, that the Copyright holder can simply rescind the license if he is displeased with the way the licensee is behaving - since the license is not supported by a contract. The licensee would then rush to the Federal Court in his district to seek a declaratory judgement regard

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

One is not under obligation to guarantee that new versions are distributed to someone, which also means obligations can be terminated for any reason. So while grsecurity might not be doing the morally and ethically right thing, I do not think they are violating the GNU GPL. You're still free to r

Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

(Note: Sending here now as this the other list was for tech discussions instead, oh an they lied: the pre-moderation is still on (for me, because they do not want this topic discussed (and have admitted so))). (SFConservancy hasn't done anything in years, FSF Legal is the same) . RMS:. Could yo

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

Please keep discussions related to technical issues about the GNU system, non-free platforms are entierly off-topic for this list. And in general, all GNU lists. :-)

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

Please keep discussions related to technical issues about the GNU system, non-free platforms are entierly off-topic for this list.

Re: list moderation

Since this is a GNU list, and as long as GNU policies are applied it doesn't matter who moderates it, so there is really no reason to further explain the decision. GNU mailing list policies have always been very lax, and very open. If you wish to continue the disucssion, feel free to do so but yo

kindness (was: Re: Hatred [Was: Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the) bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt. - Why fewer contributors?]

> Please refrain. It is not > nice to call people that way. It wasn’t strictly insulting, tho… was it? We can strive higher than that, and always try to use a kind tone.

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:10]: > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:05:02 CET, vous avez écrit : > > Myself I do not see any real problem in gender cap, as it is something > > one cannot really control. It indicates that society's type and its > > culture is generaly to blame for gender

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:09:56 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:00]: > > Purism do not respect users’ freedom: > > https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported > > > > Actually they “disable” it, but since it’s proprietary software, do

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:00]: > Purism do not respect users’ freedom: > https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported > > Actually they “disable” it, but since it’s proprietary software, down to the > cpu, and it still runs proprietary software, you can’

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:05:02 CET, vous avez écrit : > Myself I do not see any real problem in gender cap, as it is something > one cannot really control. It indicates that society's type and its > culture is generaly to blame for gendera gaps. Maybe there are > sucessful actions to learn from

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 14:16]: > > Women are smarter to choose activities that are more visually creative > > or beautiful or have comfortable life style. It does not look > > appealing to sit in corners and code on computer. They will sooner or > > later find out what they are m

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 14:51:08 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]: > > Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new > > laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems > > that can be installed without disa

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]: > Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new > laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems > that can be installed without disabling said locks, and they are signed by > microsoft. That is sad s

Hatred [Was: Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt. - Why fewer contributors?]

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 13:30:09 CET, vous avez écrit : > Please refrain. It is not > nice to call people that way. It wasn’t strictly insulting, tho… was it? > I understand your feelings, but the discussion is not place for > animosity and hatred towards any group of people. Be it American, > "

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 13:17:47 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 12:28]: > > I think women (and more generally, contributors, and stable ones) are even > > too few to see any formal preference of anybody over anybody within GNU > > yet. > > Alexandre I understan

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt. - Why fewer contributors?

All this has nothing to do with “obeying women” or religion. Many here (including rms) are convinced atheists, and the whole gender thing is only to bring more people in (as it is very sad and a waste than half the brain of this world are underexploited), with more freedom (because freedom for

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt. - Why fewer contributors?

Religion, politics, and mentalities of various countries are not subject of GNU free operating system and development of software. Yet all of those subjects can benefit and get use of free software philosophy and free software. * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:56]: > Reasons fewer men con

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 12:28]: > I think women (and more generally, contributors, and stable ones) are even > too > few to see any formal preference of anybody over anybody within GNU > yet. Alexandre I understand point you wish to make. Yet when you speak of formal preferenc

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:25]: > Debian / Devuan installation is very quick and straight-forward, and the > package vrms (inspired by rms) allows one to check if one has non-free > packages. You can set up the full disk encryption off the bat there. In Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre ther

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 12:11:40 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 11:52]: > > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit : > > > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > > > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > > > > Though women participate

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 11:52]: > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit : > > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > > > Though women participate in GNU, > > > > are any of them fortunately software package maint

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Ruben Safir writes: > The hell with that. She and our Bordeaux fiends should be sued and > shunned. > > Get on the right side of the ethics here. > > I don't care about your threats of moderation. I understand your points, but right now I have zero tolerance for this low level of discourse. W

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > > Though women participate in GNU, > > > are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately, > > > I’m > > > not sure about this :/

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 09:46:42AM +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > > Ruben Safir writes: > > > On 11/3/19 11:51 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > >> This is unkind and unconstructive. > > > > No it is not. It is SPOT ON and constructive. > > > > Lieing about Richard Stallman, that is unkind and fucked u

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 09:41:13AM +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > Hi Kaz, > > Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) writes: > > > I'm afraid I don't agree. Firstly, anyone who is grown up and halfway > > intelligent already knows that those comments don't have anything > > to do with the GNU project; a

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 10:44]: > > Some people are more emotional, some less, some have > > traumas, and some don't have, we all react differently. > > Yes, but keep in mind what could be understood (in both senses: receptor and > emitter). Insult are a convention, so are all

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Finally, may I also suggest that everyone take a self-imposed cool-off period? I think everyone would benefit from taking some time to reflect, regrouping and approaching any further discussion with clear heads. Yeah, and to hack some free software. That's what we are here fo

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > Though women participate in GNU, > > are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately, I’m > > not sure about this :/ LibrePlanet media is good place to see that it is not male society: htt

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Ruben Safir writes: > On 11/3/19 11:51 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: >> This is unkind and unconstructive. > > No it is not. It is SPOT ON and constructive. > > Lieing about Richard Stallman, that is unkind and fucked up. > > I don't care what your moderation is. I will just copy to places that > do

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:57:15 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:35]: > > Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at > > these, that could very well be synonyms: > > unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/ static. They > > co

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Hi Kaz, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) writes: > I'm afraid I don't agree. Firstly, anyone who is grown up and halfway > intelligent already knows that those comments don't have anything > to do with the GNU project; and that there is a lot more to > GNU than just one person. This, in particular

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:58]: > The problem here is maybe less (or not for all) linked with > punishment than with image. It seems, in this increasingly > superficial society, people want to be proud of their celebrity for > what they symbolize instead of what they do. For Ric

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:13:10 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 05:26]: > > Hi, I like discussion. This so because I like language. And therefore, > > meaning. > > > > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 04:32:04 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > > > Nobody believes this exc

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:35]: > Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at > these, that could very well be synonyms: > unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/ static. They > could have some nuance, but in some contexts they will mean the same

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at these, that could very well be synonyms: unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/ static. They could have some nuance, but in some contexts they will mean the same thing. Yet, often, some are meliorative, others pejorat

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 06:30]: > I don’t like the term “bigot”. It seems mainly used against individual, for > individual purposes. Not a very social term. I do not like “hysterical” > neither, hovewer, but I don’t want it “removed from language”, just not (at > least less)

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Ruben Safir [2019-11-04 06:01]: > On 11/3/19 11:51 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > This is unkind and unconstructive. > > No it is not. It is SPOT ON and constructive. Ruben, to tell to people "sod off" is not kind as it is British slang for: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sod%20

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 05:26]: > Hi, I like discussion. This so because I like language. And therefore, > meaning. > > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 04:32:04 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > > Nobody believes this except for a few hysterical lunitics. > > I think you’re wrong about l

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the "bottom-up"/"social contract" power grab attempt.

Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: Though women participate in GNU, are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately, I’m not sure about this :/ You can find some from (although the page is not complete). Some have spoken