Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-05-01 Thread Gregory John Casamento
@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:58:17 PM Subject: Re: GPLv2 licensing issues On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT), Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: All, I've written Brett Smith at the FSF to ask about exceptions or any possible solutions to the issues we're

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-30 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT), Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: All, I've written Brett Smith at the FSF to ask about exceptions or any possible solutions to the issues we're discussing. I will post relevant points when he replies to my email. Any news on this?

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-15 Thread Yavor Doganov
В Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:32:43 -0400, Hubert Chathi написа: I don't think that the combined work still violations LGPLv3, because section 4 of the LGPLv3 allows you to release the combined works under any license that you choose, provided that you do certain things, and the library itself can

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-15 Thread Yavor Doganov
В Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:30:52 -0400, Hubert Chathi написа: Just a thought that came to me, that I thought I'd throw out: one possibility is to dual-license the GNUstep libraries under bath GPLv2 and LGPLv3 or later. This would allow us to keep GPLv2 applications (the two big ones that I know

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-14 Thread Yavor Doganov
В Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:15 -0400, Hubert Chathi написа: On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:08:52 + (UTC), Yavor Doganov [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://price.sourceforge.net/exception.html What problems do you see with it? IMVHO such an exception *might* fix one side of the problem, but the resulting

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-14 Thread Matt Rice
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Yavor Doganov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:15 -0400, Hubert Chathi написа: On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:08:52 + (UTC), Yavor Doganov [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://price.sourceforge.net/exception.html What problems do you see with it?

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-11 Thread Yavor Doganov
Thanks for raising the issue, and the summary. В Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:51:08 -0400, Hubert Chathi написа: or http://price.sourceforge.net/exception.html I am not sure that such an exception is sufficient to eliminate the incompatibility problem -- in fact, I fear that it may not have a legal

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-11 Thread Günther Noack
Hi! On 11.04.2008, at 01:48, Hubert Chathi wrote: Yes, I mentioned the possibility of adding an exception to the applications' license in my original message. Why can't the GNUstep framework add the exception similar to the one in libobjc, so that applications can all link to it? I don't

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-11 Thread Stefan Bidigaray
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Hubert Chathi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what needs to be clarified. The compatibility table in the GPL FAQ, written by the FSF, says that you can't link a GPLv2'd application against a LGPLv3'd library, which is exactly the case we have. It seems

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-11 Thread Fred Kiefer
Hubert Chathi wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:16:48 -0500 Stefan Bidigaray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we aren't going to get anywhere this way! I mentioned it on a previous e-mail, the issue needs to be escalated to and clarified by the FSF. They designed the licenses and know more than

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-11 Thread Alexander Malmberg
Günther Noack wrote: Why can't the GNUstep framework add the exception similar to the one in libobjc, so that applications can all link to it? Isn't LGPLv3 or later + exception kind-of the same thing as LGPLv2 or later? If so, why change in the first place? - Alexander Malmberg

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Graham J Lee
On 10 Apr 2008, at 18:51, Hubert Chathi wrote: If you have a GNUstep program that is licensed under the terms of the GPLv2 *only*, you should do one of the following (in no particular order): - change the license to GPLv2 or later - change the license to GPLv3 (or later) - change the

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Fred Kiefer
I am still not sure whether this problem actually exists. As far as I understand the GPL it only transfers to libraries that are statically linked to it. GNUstep base, gui and back (normally) get linked dynamically and to my understanding this should not cause any problem. But I surely am no

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Hubert Chathi
Graham J. Lee wrote: Presumably, distributing binaries linked against earlier, pre-LGPLv3 GNUstep libraries is acceptable too (whether or not anyone likes the idea); I guess the licence change wasn't propagated back through the SCM history to retroactively apply to earlier revisions of

Fwd: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Matt Rice
doh -- Forwarded message -- From: Matt Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM Subject: Re: GPLv2 licensing issues To: Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still not sure whether

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Alexander Malmberg
Hubert Chathi wrote: Unfortunately, the LGPLv3 is incompatible with the GPLv2 [1] by itself, since the LGPLv3 adds extra restrictions, which means that if library B is licensed under the terms of the LGPLv3, then A+B is undistributable. [...] Of course, this does not work if the application is

Re: Fwd: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:40:34 -0700, Matt Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still not sure whether this problem actually exists. As far as I understand the GPL it only transfers to libraries that are statically linked to

Re: Fwd: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Stefan Bidigaray
I think another good FAQ question to look at is: *Can I release a program under the GPL which I developed using non-free tools?* Which programs you used to edit the source code, or to compile it, or study it, or record it, usually makes no difference for issues concerning the licensing of that

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:11:22 -0400, Hubert Chathi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:13:32 +0200, Alexander Malmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chathi wrote: - terminal.app If the GPL2/LGPL3 problems are real, this is problematic for Terminal. The vt100 parsing code is

Re: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Stefan Bidigaray
Hmm... I just got to this portion of the FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility And it seems that if you have a LGPLv3 library you cannot like a GPLv2 only program to it. I guess I'm more confused now. I've always had the understanding that GPL software can be

Re: Fwd: GPLv2 licensing issues

2008-04-10 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:12:17 -0500, Stefan Bidigaray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think another good FAQ question to look at is: *Can I release a program under the GPL which I developed using non-free tools?* [...] However, if you link non-free libraries with the source code, that would be an