[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

Eric, 1. I still do not conflate the accessibility problem with the affordability problem. 2. If the whole world would and could “flip” from what they are paying now for their incoming subscriptions to paying the same total amount for their outgoing publications as over-priced Fool’s Gold in ex

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

Stevan- I hate to say I told you so, but at the Budapest meeting years ago it was pointed out repeatedly that once green OA actually became a threat to publishers, they would no longer look so kindly on it. It took a while, but the inevitable has now happened. Green OA that relied on publishe

[GOAL] Re: Two-thirds of DOAJ journals do not have article processing charges

This is an estimation that Peter Suber gave in October 2013 (http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/blog/2013/oct/21/open-access-myths-peter-suber-harvard): "about 50% of the articles published by peer-reviewed OA journals overall were published in fee-based OA journals". I think i

[GOAL] Re: correction re: How an apparent small price decrease may actually be a large price increase, or why it is important to understand currencies

I no financial wizard, but I naively think that if the price I pay for a service is less than the price I paid for that service last year then that counts as a price reduction. David On 23 May 2015, at 00:14, Dana Roth mailto:dzr...@library.caltech.edu>> wrote: One way to help keep this str

[GOAL] Re: correction re: How an apparent small price decrease may actually be a large price increase, or why it is important to understand currencies

And one shouldn't conflate the terms "cost" and "price", not when the two are expressed in different currencies. Managing our publication fund I have seen small price increases, but a huge cost increase due to the weakening of our currency. Price is the responsibility of the publisher, cost of t

[GOAL] Elsevier: still the world's largest scholarly publisher, still green - let's get archiving!

Elsevier is still the world's largest scholarly publisher and Elsevier authors still do have self-archiving rights. There is a very large corpus of works already published that authors could be making open access through their institutional repositories. Elsevier became the largest publisher i

[GOAL] Elpub 2015 Conference - Early Bird registration until 31 May

** Apologies for cross-posting ** Elpub 2015 Conference - Early Bird registration until 31 May -- *Invitation to the 19th International Conference on Electronic Publishing* Scale, Openness and Trust: New Avenues for Electronic Publishing in the Age of Infinite Collections and Citizen Science 1

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

Mike, I will respond more fully on your blog: http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1710 To reply briefly here: 1. The publisher back-pedalling and OA embargoes were anticipated. That’s why the copy-request Button was already created to pro

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

I remember severn or eight years ago a prominent publisher saying that allowing green self-archiving was a massive tactical mistake on the part of publishers. They only allowed it because they believed it would never gain any traction. This is why Elsevier is back-paddling furiously and we are

[GOAL] Copyright claims on early articles in society journals

Once the Internet and the PDF format made it easy to do so, I made PDFs of all my published articles freely available on my department's server and have done so ever since. Now 83 and emeritus, I decided it would be interesting to find out if the University of Florida could provide unrestricted

[GOAL] Re: Copyright claims on early articles in society journals

No. If copyright was not transferred by contract or agreement, the publisher has no claim or basis to prevent the author's re-use or redistribution (in the USA). There is no separate claim or rights on the publisher-produced printed edition or pdf. Copyright applies only to content, not to form

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

Like Stevan, I would not characterize the green road as "parasitic"; or, if I were, I would do so only in the sense that when some mushrooms parasite other mushrooms, they make them much more comestible... Green and Gold are a bit like the two fists of a boxer: you parry with one and hit with the

[GOAL] Re: Copyright claims on early articles in society journals

Paul, you are correct, however there is copyright protection on typesetting within the UK (Typographic Right: it lasts 25 years from publication), I don't know if there is a similar protection within the USA (and anyway these articles are likely to be clear of this by now). Pippa On Tuesday, May 2

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

Eric, I'm not sure I'm reading it the same way you are, nor am I as convinced as Mike is that Green OA (of pre-prints & author manuscripts) is a threat to publishers. On the first point, if you read Karen's statement as "the author version, including peer-review revisions is now considered to be

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

I am getting a bit irritated reading about "parasitic" and especially about "predatory" solely in the context of OA, as if the shortcoming of the scientific publication system and of the peer-review process were exclusively encountered in OA (Gold) journals. Remember the work of Cyril and Domin

[GOAL] Positive example: Springer

Dear all Yesterday I was complaining about the fact that journals were not transparent about their gold à la pièce. Here is an example of a positive step in the right direction: http://link.springer.com/journal/10645 Here, one can see clearly what the OA papers are, and one can calculate the prop

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

My bad, apologies to Elsevier, unless I'm having hallucination and what I see on Elsevier doesn't really exist [or I'm not hallucinating and this policy has changed], I was wrong in my interpretation yesterday. I have cognitive dissonance between what I read here, and what I read a few weeks -

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier: Trying to squeeze the virtual genie back into the physical bottle

David Prosser wrote: > I remember severn or eight years ago a prominent publisher saying that allo= > wing green self-archiving was a massive tactical mistake on the part of pub= > lishers. They only allowed it because they believed it would never gain an= > y traction. This is why Elsevier is b

[GOAL] Re: Positive example: Springer

Eric, What is the significance of 0.8% (83/10,429) ? What useful metrics can you draw from that ? Why would Springer deserve a kudo ? Just for "transparency"? What's new if it becomes clear that double-dipping means taking underfunded academic institutions for a ride ? Greetings, Bernard _