[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Beall, Jeffrey
I think that Guedon's advice to "Remove access to Lingua going forward" is the moral equivalent of a book banning. There's no moral difference between saying "Remove access to Lingua" and saying "Remove the book Heather Has Two Mommies." I understand that all book banners (and journal banners)

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread brentier
Éric, Perfect response. I couldn't agree more. In addition, there is a difference between Jeffrey's and Jean-Claude's exhortations: one proposes to ban journals (hence articles) on the basis of a risk of poor quality and the other suggests to ban journals (hence articles) on the basis of access

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Jacinto Dávila
Mr Beall, as usual, picks his words as hostile as possible to address this OA community. Calling Jean-Claude Guedon a book banner is like calling Nelson Mandela a criminal. It is just not true and it tries to ride the waves of a very disturbing discussion. I am asking him to show some respect or

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Removing access simply means "stop subscribing". Libraries stop subscribing to journals all the time (in particular because they cannot pay for them). If stopping a subscription is equivalent to "book banning", then one can say anything in English (or any other language for that matter). And

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Knowledge and culture are to be shared by nature. Any impediment to the dissemination of knowledge to all must be fought by all means. If a price must be paid for the development of knowledge it must be reasonable and small, and contribute to the development of knowledge itself, not to pay

[GOAL] Re: PURE nonsense

2015-11-13 Thread Andrea Bollini
Dear Lucie, all, sorry for the crossposting but as the email has been spread to several mailing list I hope these information can be useful for all. I suggest to take a look also to the DSpace-CRIS implementation. DSpace-CRIS is an extension of the DSpace software, initially developed by Cineca

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Éric Archambault
Jeffrey Your black list is the largest journal banner in the world. Where do you take the moral authority to give lessons to others who want to do the same thing on a much smaller scale? Éric From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Beall, Jeffrey Sent:

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Kathleen Shearer
I respectfully disagree with J Beall. Libraries have always made decisions about purchases based on costs and other factors. Furthermore, they have the absolute right to (and probably should) make decisions that help to leverage change in the direction towards a more sustainable system. On

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Beall, Jeffrey
Eric, Your accusation is completely false and irresponsible. The purpose of my lists is to help honest researchers avoid becoming victims of scam OA journals and publishers. I have never advocated banning any publication, and if you are going to make such statements they should be backed up by

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Ross-Hellauer, Anthony
Dear Jeffrey, I'm sorry but this comparison is simply false. To ban is to officially proscribe something (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ban). Guedon's call is to boycott (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/boycott) this journal. Libraries, of course,

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Stevan Harnad
"Remove Access" would of course be absurd, and completely contrary to the spirit of OA (but that's not what J-CG meant). "Cease to Pay for Access," on the other hand, is a call for a perfectly valid and longstanding judgment-call by library serial acquisitions committees, in consultation with

[GOAL] CRIS/CERIF-based in-house alternative to selling out to Elsevier's PURE Bad Deal

2015-11-13 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Lucie Burgess wrote: Dear Stevan, all > I would be very interested to hear more about good (particularly > open-source if available) in-house university CRIS systems, from anyone who > is willing to share this information. We are

[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier

2015-11-13 Thread Heather Morrison
May I suggest that authors of articles in Lingua should make full use of their self-archiving rights to make this material freely available through their OA archive. Does anyone know the history of author contracts for this journal? What rights (if any) were retained by the society, what