On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:58:54 AM UTC+8, Jim wrote:
It seems that some people want Infrastructure as a Service and they
don't put much value on the Platform as a Service architecture that
Google has created here.
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:30:23 PM UTC+8, Pertti Kellomäki wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:58:54 AM UTC+8, Jim wrote:
It seems that some people want Infrastructure as a Service and they
don't put
There are open source projects that would allow you to approximate the
functionality of BigTable. I wonder have you put together a business case
for what it would take you to build it and support it on your own?
Another option I would consider if I were you and only really wanted the
database
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:56:16 PM UTC+8, Jim wrote:
There are open source projects that would allow you to approximate the
functionality of BigTable. I wonder have you put together a business case
for what it would take you to build it and support it on your own?
There is no
@Tapir
Move your app to Compute Engine and stop complaining. You can still use the
Datastore, but your instance will cost you much less.
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Hello Rafa, I have been watching this thread wondering if you might chime
in :-)
This has been hashed over here many times before.
It seems that some people want Infrastructure as a Service and they don't
put much value on the Platform as a Service architecture that Google has
created here.
Yes. You're correct. I'm just making it sure people don't advertise it as
cheap :)
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jim jeb62...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Rafa, I have been watching this thread wondering if you might chime
in :-)
This has been hashed over here many times before.
It seems
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:58:54 AM UTC+8, Jim wrote:
Hello Rafa, I have been watching this thread wondering if you might chime
in :-)
This has been hashed over here many times before.
It seems that some people want Infrastructure as a Service and they
don't put much value on the
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
You cannot prove it because it is ultimately up to the market to decide.
The right
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:20:41 PM UTC+8, Pertti Kellomäki wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
Prove for your case and in your opinion, and different environments and
application load will affect the cost structure.
I watch my applications carefully and I can say that I am not nor ever have
been overcharged for the service provided.
But I use python, I rarely see scheduler problems, I
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:23:49 PM UTC+8, timh wrote:
Prove for your case and in your opinion, and different environments and
application load will affect the cost structure.
I watch my applications carefully and I can say that I am not nor ever
have been overcharged for the
Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to keep
that thing running 24x7?
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:32:27 AM UTC+8, Andrew Mackenzie wrote:
Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to
keep that thing running 24x7?
Sorry, I don't count this factor. For I think this cost per Op for big
companies such as Google should be
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:32:27 AM UTC+8, Andrew Mackenzie wrote:
Good post Barry. Things are not so simple. How much salary for Ops guys to
keep that thing running 24x7?
Sorry, I don't count this factor. For Ops at Big companies will manager
more resources, I think this cost per
Hi Barry,
I wish what you are saying was correct.
I run one of those big services that needed to scale. Unfortunately
appengine price goes up as you scale.
Unfortunately nobody can say that appengine makes sense price wise. It may
make sense if it fits your taste and you like google tools.
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are both
the same 'type' of product.
AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit all' solution. Many types of applications you
could very definitly run (much) cheaper elsewhere (particularly ones that
are small enough to fit
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are both
the same 'type' of product.
AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit all' solution. Many types of applications you
could very
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are both
the same 'type' of product.
AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit all' solution. Many types of applications you
could very
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:02:45 AM UTC+8, Tapir wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are
both the same 'type' of product.
AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are
both the same 'type' of product.
AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
I admit DigitalOcean is an alternative to GCE instead of GAE.
If this is a GCE vs. DO thread, perhaps you'd find more interesting
discussion by posting in the GCE mailing list:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:14:44 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:34:22 AM UTC+8, Tapir wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:14:44 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
If my website needs 150 VPS's to run, I would NEVER consider using GAE at
all!
Assume the 150 VPS's are the lowest end Linode VPS, which is more powerful
than GAE B8 instance type.
But it wouldn't need 150 GAE front end
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:50:11 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
If my website needs 150 VPS's to run, I would NEVER consider using GAE at
all!
Assume the 150 VPS's are the lowest end Linode VPS, which is
The comparison even doesn't count the 15 minutes tax explained by
BarryHunter in this thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/dTIK9dJHdZI
and the bandwidth and other cost are included in the $45,000 for Linode
VPS case.
Thats on used counted each time an
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:04:25 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
The comparison even doesn't count the 15 minutes tax explained by
BarryHunter in this thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/dTIK9dJHdZI
and the bandwidth and other cost are included in the
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:18:24 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:50:11 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
If my
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:34:22 AM UTC+8, Tapir wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:14:44 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
Apples to Oranges.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:18:24 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:50:11 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
If my
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:04:25 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
The comparison even doesn't count the 15 minutes tax explained by
BarryHunter in this thread: https://groups.google.com/
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Tapir tapir@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:18:24 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:50:11 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17,
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:35:40 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:18:24 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:29:13 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:04:25 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
The comparison even doesn't count the 15 minutes tax explained by
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:29:13 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Tapir tapi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:04:25 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
The comparison even doesn't count the 15 minutes tax explained by
it is very fair to compare a VPS with a GAE instance. The result is so
clear that less powerful pure computing unit (gae instance) charges much
than a more powerful computing unit + storage + bandwidth.
Yes, if that is all you compare, then most VPS's will certainly be cheaper
than GAE.
You
For an experienced IT maintainer, this is not a problem.
If you have an experienced IT maintainer on hand, GAE might also be
expensive on that merit alone.
A big part of AppEngine, is you dont need one. So you save that cost.
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On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:02:11 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
it is very fair to compare a VPS with a GAE instance. The result is so
clear that less powerful pure computing unit (gae instance) charges much
than a more powerful computing unit + storage + bandwidth.
Yes, if that is
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:04:27 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote:
For an experienced IT maintainer, this is not a problem.
If you have an experienced IT maintainer on hand, GAE might also be
expensive on that merit alone.
A big part of AppEngine, is you dont need one. So you save
As many people have said, it depends on your use case. In my case, I am an
application developer, not a sysadmin - I like to spend my time making
applications, not worrying about fine-tuning memcache, database
replication, software upgrades, and load balancers. Appengine has been
fantastic for
I'm in a similar boat. I'm a small-business sysadmin turned developer.
We can work with our current VPS service to add load balancing, alter our
front-end to be easily cloneable, spin up extra frontends as demand
requires, and continue to work on new features.
Or we can go to AppEngine, get
Our app https://teammatesv4.appspot.com has 100k entries in the
datastore, 8000+ users, and a traffic rate about 1 hit every 10 seconds,
plus bursts of traffic at certain times. My cost is less than $1 per day.
So GAE fits rather nicely with my use case.
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I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:43:45 AM UTC+8, GregF wrote:
As many people have said, it depends on your use case. In my case, I am an
application
Again, I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:53:37 AM UTC+8, Chad Vincent wrote:
I'm in a similar boat. I'm a small-business sysadmin turned developer.
We
I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:26:20 AM UTC+8, Damith C Rajapakse wrote:
Our app https://teammatesv4.appspot.com has 100k entries in the
datastore,
I don't care about if you are happy with GAE or not.
I just want to prove the GAE compute part is much more too expensive than
it should be.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:26:20 AM UTC+8, Damith C Rajapakse wrote:
Our app https://teammatesv4.appspot.com has 100k entries in the
datastore,
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