[google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-08 Thread Max
homepage is empty at the moment, you can use http://www.keepyourappwarm.com/manage to access management console directly I will add some explanation / comparison later on -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this disc

[google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-10 Thread bejayoharen
While I agree with jeff to a large extent -- you should pay for hosting rather than gaming it -- I could still see this being useful. Instead of using it to "warm up" your app, it would be nice to have a third party performance monitor that could, for example, monitor your app's uptime, latency, et

[google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-10 Thread Max
Hi Bejayoharen, Great thanks for the feedback. As I said this is just several hours work so sorry for the UI. I agree it's not quite comprehensive. You can login with your Google Account by clicking top-right link "Log in with your Google Account to manage your warmers" You will be able to

[google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread jeffrey_t_b
It must not be too bad from Google's perspective, as they include an example of a "recache" job in the GAE java cron documentation: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/config/cron.html That said, I'm not sure why anyone would necessarily want to do this, given the new pricing. On Jul 11,

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-09 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Lame. Whether or not it is against the letter of the law, it's certainly against the spirit of appengine. If your little "hack" becomes popular, the likely consequence is that Google will have to devote resources to engineering (or gaming) around it. I do not approve. If you need always-on beha

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-10 Thread Barry Hunter
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, bejayoharen wrote: > > A great project would be one that worked from a > third party site (non-cloud hosting would suffice), checked your site > periodically, and contacted you (eg sent you a text message using > twillio) if there was any trouble. There are o

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-10 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Barry Hunter wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, bejayoharen  wrote: >> >> A great project would be one that worked from a >> third party site (non-cloud hosting would suffice), checked your site >> periodically, and contacted you (eg sent you a text mes

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-10 Thread Max
hi Jeff, AFAIK, lots of GAE developers are using cron job to *warm up*, including me. You can search in this group, many ppl are doing this. Also, if we want something more than a periodic ping, like those use cases you mentioned, then we probably don't want all these logic stay with in our

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-11 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Using cron to keep your app warm is not sanctioned either. If Google wanted to give you a way to keep your app running, they'd offer it as a feature and charge for it. If these hacks become commonplace, GAE engineers will be retasked to fighting them and this will further delay new features that

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-11 Thread Stephen Johnson
Hi Jeff, I believe that with the new pricing that may have already happened. If you keep your app "warm" with no one using it you're going to be paying for it. A lot of users will probably want their instances to shutdown faster rather than stay up and be either billed or use up their free quota. S

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread Max
Agree with your point on tragedy of the commons. The thing is this is not a new concept. It's already a common practice among many appengine developers. Without my application, one can still write a dummy cron in 5 mins. Given that they (unfortunately including me at the moment) will do it anyw

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread Phil Young
Isn't the end of point 4.4 applicable here... "or otherwise access the Service in a manner intended to avoid incurring fees" ...as you are avoiding paying the $9/month for an always running instance? Phil On 12 July 2011 08:10, Max wrote: > Agree with your point on tragedy of the commons. The

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread Max
my understanding is, you can't hack a service for free if it's supposed to be paid. By using my application, you still use / pay for your normal instance rather than always on instance. so this term is not applicable to this case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
I can't believe I'm still writing about this... at the very least you're hacking around the $9/mo fee for an always-on instance. The "free tier" of appengine works because all those zillions of little test apps and experiments that people create don't actually occupy resources beyond a small amou

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Weekend project: keep your app warm

2011-07-12 Thread Barry Hunter
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:26 AM, jeffrey_t_b wrote: > It must not be too bad from Google's perspective, as they include an > example of a "recache" job in the GAE java cron documentation: If you are recaching something every 2 minutes, there is a certain expectation that you going to be needing i