Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-24 Thread stevep
Since VinnyP and I have hijacked this thread (well let's say we re-directed it to say GAE is *not* expensive for SMB)... here is an example. A local bakery started by two sisters in the small town in which I live. They had no idea how to get up their web site, and got screwed several times by s

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-23 Thread Vinny P
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM, stevep wrote: > Some of the setups I see are so discouraging. BTW Google (if you are > reading this): Most SMB owner's that I meet could really, really use some > help understanding issues like this > +1 What would really be nice is if Google or someone made a

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-23 Thread stevep
Absolutely agree. WIth proper design, most small businesses should be easily capable of running GAE at very low or no cost. I ALWAYS recommend it. Unfortunately I have never gotten the sense that Google has any targeted marketing plan for SMB. Some of the setups I see are so discouraging. BTW G

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-23 Thread timh
I agree with @Kaan. I run a small business site on gae, and I am both happy with the price, the performance and the reliability. Sure I could run it on other hosting services, however I don't have the time or the inclination to maintain the whole stack down to the OS, manage scalability, etc...

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-23 Thread Kaan Soral
I don't agree, even if it's true, and you have strong evidence, why do you keep on paying $3k, does the weight of your money disturb you, do you feel like you need to lose some? I might be able to reproduce a similar system to mine with 1/2X the gae cost, however it wouldn't be scalable, I woul

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-22 Thread Rafael
GAE is 30x more expensive than hosting things yourself. I know this because I pay $3000 a month for something that I could be paying $70 :) On Tuesday, October 22, 2013, stevep wrote: > I remember the days of the GAE polls (think that product mgr may be gone > now - at least the polls seem to be

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-22 Thread stevep
I remember the days of the GAE polls (think that product mgr may be gone now - at least the polls seem to be). An interesting poll would be which is more desired by customers: 1) Cost reduction w/ fewer new features, or 2) Current costs and feature progress. (I would add a third: 10x reduction i

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-21 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
It is interesting to ponder. The theory is that GAE lets us scale... but if it takes 100X the number of instances to process the same amount of traffic, who but Google could actually afford to scale? And 100X might not be unrealistic; a 16GB 8-core linode is down to $320/mo; an 8G 4-core instance b

Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-21 Thread Vinny P
Hello Claudio, On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Claudio Antunes wrote: > I paid US$ 35 to Google. I'm using Frontend Instance Class F1 and 50 Max > Idle Instances and 4.0s to Min Pending Latency. > As Kaan noted, 50 idle instances is far, far too much. GAE uses two different types of instance

[google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

2013-10-21 Thread Claudio Antunes
I think App Engine is very, very good, but it is very, very expensive. Yesterday I was testing my application and I've did a comparison: About 600,000 pageviews delivered, I paid US$ 35 to Google. I'm using Frontend Instance Class F1 and 50 Max Idle Instances and 4.0s to Min Pending Latency. On my