Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Nikolay Tenev
+1 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:54, Stefano Ciccarelli wrote: > +1 > > On Oct 6, 11:48 am, Greg wrote: > > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's > code > > > using the appcfg.py download_app co

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread djidjadji
+1 2010/10/6 Greg : > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > wrote: >> - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's code >>   using the appcfg.py download_app command. > > I'm not at all happy about this. I know how frequent plaintive "I lost > my code how can I get i

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Tom Wu
+1 2010/10/6 Greg > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > > > > wrote: > > - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's > code > > using the appcfg.py download_app command. > > I'm not at all happy about this. I know how frequent plaintive "I lost > my code how

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Jeff Schwartz
+1 Indeed, quite disconcerting. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Tom Wu wrote: > +1 > > 2010/10/6 Greg > >> On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> > - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's >> code >> > using the appcfg.py download_app

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Felippe Bueno
+1 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mike Wesner wrote: > +1 > > On Oct 6, 9:59 am, mscwd01 wrote: >> +1 >> >> On Oct 6, 10:48 am, Greg wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" >> > wrote: >> >> > > - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's >> >

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Peter Petrov
+1000 The download feature should be optional, and off by default. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Greg wrote: > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > > > > wrote: > > - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's > code > > using the appcfg.py download_app com

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Barry Hunter
+1. Make it optional - default to on is ok. As long as it can be disabled. On 6 October 2010 16:29, Rodrigo Moraes wrote: > On Oct 6, 6:48 am, Greg wrote: >> I guess one solution would be to make downloading optional. A setting >> to disable source downloading in app.yaml would be safe, because

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Thanks for the feedback. We'll discuss the code download feature in more detail. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:04 A

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Robert Kluin
+1 No download was a feature. AND it helped people with poor practices learn the value of version control. :) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:04, tcg wrote: > +1 > > On Oct 6, 5:48 am, Greg wrote: >> On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" >> wrote: >> >> > - The developer who uploaded an app

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Peter Petrov
Thanks Tim, of course I'm talking about Python2.5-compatible code only. There are tools which can help you keep compatibility with 2.5 even if actually using a newer version - e.g. Eclipse PyDev has a grammar checker with configurable target version. Common sense also helps. Having this in mind, d

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread djidjadji
Not a good choice because the one that pays the bill is not the one that writes the source code. I'm not paying for the storage requirement and bandwidth of my client who has bought a use right of my software. I'm an advocate of "NO Download allowed". But in case it will be allowed make it OFF by

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread andy stevko
One issue with the download code option is how it works in the context of an app store. If I license an application thru a store, can I then download the code, modify it, and redeploy? Also - if I have sensitive information (like Authorize.net keys) coded into my application, the information was ba

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Well, there were always workarounds to download the code. That being said, I'm glad we discussed this during the prerelease SDK stage, especially since many of the voices in this thread are the most active and knowledgeable members of the community speaking up. We're looking at alternatives, but w

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Jeff Schwartz
Thank you, Ikai. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) > wrote: > Well, there were always workarounds to download the code. > > That being said, I'm glad we discussed this during the prerelease SDK > stage, especially since many of the voices in this thread are the most > active and

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
This is Python only. If you download a Java app you will download the JAR files. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:28

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-06 Thread Robert Kluin
According to the release notes mail: - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's code using the appcfg.py download_app command. You can use this to download both Python and Java application code. I agree with Geoffrey, the balance is right if you have to have this

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
There is an even worse problem with a password compromise: 1) Malicious user gets your pw 2) Malicious user downloads your existing codebase 3) Malicious user makes subtle change - say, funneling sensitive data to external site 4) Malicious user uploads this over running version This would be alm

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Robert Kluin
AppEngine is a hosting platform, _not source control_. You should learn about mercurial, git, or subversion. http://bitbucket.org/ http://github.com/ Robert On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 06:25, pdknsk wrote: > Thank you for adding the download feature. I develop on two machines, Linux > and W

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
You should *not* use this feature to sync versions between your computers. I cannot emphasize this strongly enough. Please use source control. We value feedback, and this is precisely the point of the prerelease SDK - it's much easier to postpone a release early on rather than try to change direct

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
By "user-configurable" I mean "opt-in", not "opt-out". -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ikai Lan (Google) > w

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Jeff Schwartz
Get github, google code or something similar... Even at $7 a month for closed archives GitHub is a steal. Just the peace of mind makes it a bargain. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) > wrote: > By "user-configurable" I mean "opt-in", not "opt-out". > > > -- > Ikai Lan > Developer

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Eli Jones
File my message under "Everyone's Got an Opinion" I see that everyone went and got their dog.. and came out with their dog to "+1" either disabling code download or making it opt-in.. Sadly.. it seems that the code download option will only be beneficial to clueless people who don't use version c

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-07 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Well, the thought is that you wouldn't be able to download code from BEFORE the feature launched. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Thu, Oct

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-10 Thread Edel SM
+1 for optional download. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Greg wrote: > On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > wrote: >> - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's code >>   using the appcfg.py download_app command. > > I'm not at all happy about this. I know how f

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-11 Thread Kayomarz
+1 On Monday 11 October 2010 10:17 AM, Edel SM wrote: +1 for optional download. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Greg wrote: On Oct 6, 1:28 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" wrote: - The developer who uploaded an app version can download that version's code using the appcfg.py download_app

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Prerelease SDK 1.3.8 is out!

2010-10-18 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
It didn't make it. We'll try to get it out ASAP. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Alexandre Vivien wrote: > H