Re: [Google Wave APIs] ... and Google gets to keep all the data?

2010-02-10 Thread Trejkaz
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au wrote: If you never add anyone on Google's servers to your wave, the wave's data will never get to their server (e.g. if you are running a private one and block federation.) I might be wrong, however I read the concern

Re: [Google Wave APIs] ... and Google gets to keep all the data?

2010-02-10 Thread Brian May
On 10 February 2010 19:05, Trejkaz trej...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I answered too.  Privacy is another (although highly related) matter. Ooops, sorry, my bad. Looks like I am asleep at the keyboard... -- Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au -- You received this message because you

Re: [Google Wave APIs] What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread kayode odeyemi
Hello Jonas, Nice work. You gave me some inspiration about your post. Concerning a development environment for testing Gadgets, I don't think this is possible yet. Probably you can try hosting your gadget on a public server and refer to it locally from your script tags. For more information,

Re: [Google Wave APIs] What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread Benjamin Nortier
Hi Jonas I would be interested in that mock framework of yours. I was considering doing the same because it is difficult to test gadgets in the sandbox or preview. I would be able to contribute as well if I have the need of extended functionality... Cheers Benjamin On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:34

Re: [Google Wave APIs] What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread kayode odeyemi
Hi Jonas, can you please give access to the public wave test you mentioned in your blog post. Maybe you could shed more light on that mock framework of yours in there. Thanks. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Benjamin Nortier bjnort...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jonas I would be interested in that

[Google Wave APIs] Re: stopwatch extension / Wave Timer

2010-02-10 Thread HaiColon
I think you can work around that. First, if there is a 300 ms delay from the server response, the timer would be off by 600 ms total and I don't think that anyone cares about half a second. The time to press the stop button is well over half a second already unless you hover over the stop button

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread HaiColon
What I do is I write the gadget in a way that makes it work both locally (or as a website on a remote server) and then I add a layer on top that makes it work with Google Wave. That way I can test 90% of the gadget locally, no problem. And for the other 10% I just use the debug features of the

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Buzz replaces Wave?

2010-02-10 Thread Raphaël Pinson
I try to keep in mind that Wave is first and foremost a protocol, while Buzz is a social media plugin for Gmail (or so it seems). I believe the Wave protocol could well be the backbone for Buzz actually, so it's not a matter of Wave vs. Buzz (as in, the interface, which doesn't really matter so

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Buzz replaces Wave?

2010-02-10 Thread kayode odeyemi
IMHO, I think it's just an extension to Gmail. An option to make Gmail better and have some social interaction integration. Wave is a different project on it's own. But I support the opinion about integrating Gmail into Wave. Reason is because there's hardly no conversation without email these

[Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Bart Thate
Hello wavers and more hello Google Team, Today a gadget was inserted into a public wave of mine, which directed me on joining the wave to the following page: http://hosting.gmodules.com/ig/gadgets/file/100726510508187623906/wave.html this page is a phishing login page of google wave which upon

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread eyalzh
Try to block googleusercontent.com temporarily in your browser / hosts file etc. Then enter the wave and remove the gadget. To view the wave structure you can use antimatter15's wave reader:

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Bart Thate
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:19 PM, eyalzh eya...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi Eyal ;] Try to block googleusercontent.com temporarily in your browser / hosts file etc. Then enter the wave and remove the gadget. To view the wave structure you can use antimatter15's wave reader:

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Buzz replaces Wave?

2010-02-10 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 10 Feb 2010, at 06:50, kayode odeyemi wrote: But I support the opinion about integrating Gmail into Wave. Reason is because there's hardly no conversation without email these days. There are a few things that need to be done. As fascinating as Wave is, it will have an adoption struggle

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:23, Bart Thate wrote: Its not that i can save this wave, i demonstrates a deeper underlying problem, that is the lack of a permissions system that allows the owner to determine what participants can and cannot do. And for that matter, the creator/owner's ability to

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Bart Thate
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Ronald C.F. Antony ronald.ant...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:23, Bart Thate wrote: Its not that i can save this wave, i demonstrates a deeper underlying problem, that is the lack of a permissions system that allows the owner to determine what

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:59, Bart Thate wrote: Well one thing i know from my IRC days is that its best to put the power into the owner hands and NOT distribute this power to other participants as you will get the old take-over days all over again. It all depends. Waves between friends, in a

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Bart Thate
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Ronald C.F. Antony ronald.ant...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:59, Bart Thate wrote: Well one thing i know from my IRC days is that its best to put the power into the owner hands and NOT distribute this power to other participants as you will get the

[Google Wave APIs] Office Hours starting now!

2010-02-10 Thread Austin Chau (Google employee)
Please join us in this public wave for Wave API virtual office hours - https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:search:in%253Ainbox+office+hours,restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BXEx2r3nWA.2 Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Office Hours starting now!

2010-02-10 Thread Eric Kolotyluk
I'm never going to make it to one of these office hours. Sheesh! Now my sandbox account has stopped working. It was working before because I remember successfully logging in before. - Eric On 2010-02-10 10:59 AM, Austin Chau (Google employee) wrote: Please join us in this public wave for

[Google Wave APIs] Re: wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Austin Chau
thanks for bringing this to our attention. We have filed this internally and I have give that issue a knock to give it some priority, as soon as we hear back we will update this thread. Thanks! Austin On Feb 10, 8:03 am, Bart Thate bth...@gmail.com wrote: Hello wavers and more hello Google

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Office Hours starting now!

2010-02-10 Thread pamela (Google Employee)
Hi Eric- For future reference, you should be able to quickly get a new account here: http://code.google.com/apis/wave/sandboxform.html That's probably easier than trying to find a lost password or fix a broken account, in my experience. - pamela On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Eric Kolotyluk

[Google Wave APIs] Office hours transcript 2010-02-10

2010-02-10 Thread Austin Chau (Google employee)
[CLOSED] Office Hours: 2010-02-10 Welcome to API office hours! *Please top post your question or comment about the robot, gadget, or embed API to make sure we see it. You can do so by replying to this blip.* *A transcript of this wave will be made publicly available. If you don't want to

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: gadgets is not defined

2010-02-10 Thread pamela (Google Employee)
(Note: I am also a postMessage noob). I believe that Chrome always gives that error/warning with postMessage, even when it works. Does the message not get received? Here's a postMessage demo my colleague recommended: http://html5demos.com/postmessage2 You may want to test postMessage outside of

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Huckestein
Hi Everybody, I have just released WaveConnector - a turnkey solution for developing wave gadgets using GWT and testing them in hosted mode. Please head over to my blog at http://thezukunft.com or the project page at http://code.google.com/p/waveconnector-gwt/ for details. It's as easy as

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Do google.load() works in a gadget?

2010-02-10 Thread pamela (Google Employee)
Hi ElCondor- I played around with your XML, and I believe the issue somehow came from using the two OnLoad handlers - both the google and the gadgets one. I believe I got it to load correctly when I only used one. I also moved google.load() to the top. My working version is here:

[Google Wave APIs] Robot-created waves.

2010-02-10 Thread Stephen Gigante
I made a robot that will on a blip-based trigger, create a new wave, and then remove itself from both the old and the new. Apparently, (for both me as a user, and the robot programmatically), A robot cannot be removed when it's the creator of a wave(let?). I don't want my robot to be forced to

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Stephen Gigante
Doesn't the gadget, and the page it redirects to, violate the google Terms of Serivce? I'm not sure whether the person who added said gadget is violating any ToS, although if they also own said gadget, I'd be surprised if they weren't. While it may not be possible to remove the gadget from

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Buzz replaces Wave?

2010-02-10 Thread Brian May
On 11 February 2010 03:38, Ronald C.F. Antony ronald.ant...@gmail.com wrote: The next step is getting an e-mail gateway working. Since E-mail is static, this is non-trivial, but it's key to allow an absorption of e-mail into wave. It would be foolish to try to solve this in a general way. I

Re: [Google Wave APIs] wave hijacking

2010-02-10 Thread Brian May
On 11 February 2010 04:27, Ronald C.F. Antony ronald.ant...@gmail.com wrote: Example: I trust my buddy, my girlfriend, but not her sneaky room mate. So I start a new wave with my buddy. He adds my girlfriend to the wave, which works, because she has the same or higher trust level assigned in

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread dougx
Mmm... did you realize you can use a normal GWT application in wave as a gadget? All you need is a frame: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? Module ModulePrefs title=State Example height=220 Require feature=wave / /ModulePrefs Content type=html ![CDATA[ html head meta

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Huckestein
Hi Doug, nice, I didn't think of using a normal GWT application as a wave gadget like that before. But I think that is just a way of manually doing what the Gadget API for GWT is doing for you. What you said about being able to see two different views of the gadget side by side in local testing

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread dougx
Hm. I've never been a fan of gadgets. It's always seemed rather contrived to me, to suggest you can have an entire web application all wrapped up in a single xml file. All of the open social applications you'll find in the real world make use of makeRequest() and server side services; the way

[Google Wave APIs] Re: What's the best development environment for Wave Gadgets?

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Huckestein
Wow, I never knew the gadget linker did not support any of these features. Is there any reason for that? In that case we could also try to improve on the linker :) I didn't know about shindig either, but from the looks of it, we would have to build a GWT wrapper around it first. So here's what

Re: [Google Wave APIs] Java Robot invoked by cron

2010-02-10 Thread Stephen Gigante
If you're calling it via cron, you need to set up your own context - Use the OnRobotAdded event to add waveid and wavelet id to a database, and then retrieve them when you run the cron task. - Stephen On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:03 AM, balderman balder...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am having a