[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Hi Predrag; There is not currently an online demo of the framework just yet, but the prototype application being built with it is designed to make explaining complex ideas and processes as simple and as concise as possible, and it will certainly contain tutorials on how the custom elements are

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

It's interesting how people think differently about the question: "How software development should look like" :-) >From the couple of the last posts we can see that: One person think that James framework is too weird to have any value in it, other one respects his hard work and wants to learn

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 7:33:06 PM UTC+1, Jens wrote: > > Wow that looks too weird for me to see any value in it :D > +1 I tend to remove as much "magic" as possible from my projects, even if that means writing 2 lines of code instead of 1, trying to have the code be as explicit as

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

@James, do you have any working example (link to some site where application is hosted or youtube video of locally running application) of your framework that you can share with us ? Can you create something like this http://petclinic.cloudapp.net/ with your framework and then to demonstrate

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Wow that looks too weird for me to see any value in it :D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

So, a little late to jump in, but figured I'd add my $0.02 to this conversation. I've been hard at work building a future-oriented declarative UI DSL. Specifically, I extended the Java 8 JavaCC parser to include xml, json and css expression syntax. This allows creation of UI's like the

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

David, Here is the post about Meta approach you asked for: http://www.codeless.solutions/#!Meta-Platform-survival-guide/enstx/566ac8fc0cf239106876cf13 I believe it will give you the answer on your post question or at least an idea what you can do next. Kind regards, Predrag. -- You

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Yes, very nice city I know. I been there couple of times ~ 10 years ago when I was living in Rotterdam. On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM, David wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > And don't worry, Leuven is still a peaceful and quite city which is worth > a visit thanks to

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

> Typescript uses type definitions for 3rd party JS libraries ( http://definitelytyped.org/). Potentially something similar could be done for GWT/Java or even one could leverage the Typescript type definitions to automatically create Java wrappers. I'm working on a tool that could convert these

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

did you post any articles about the design of your meta approach - I'm very interested in reading a bit about it to see if I can learn from it ? I've seen similar approaches where an XML representation was used (looking a lot like XUL syntax), but I had to help in improving the performance and

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Good points and in most cases we are covered: - Using a Command Processor over GWT-RPC, but I will move it to a REST implementation. - GUI is split up in MVP and the important code is not depending on any GWT widgets or anything else. We are using UiBinder in our current application, but

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Good points and I agree with almost all you said ;-) We did not notice any performance degradation by using meta approach comparing to manual or UIBinder way, but that is something that we will try to demonstrate in the following weeks. Well, we do not have to support IE6/IE7 so this would be a

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

No, but intend to will write a blog or an article about this. I will let you know when it's done. Probably in a few weeks as I need to write some other things before this. In the meantime, you can take a look here: http://www.codeless.solutions or here:

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

This is very good question and actually one of the biggest problem not only in this particular situation but also in general software development. Imagine you decide to build something large like ERP or Banking Information system for an example (with hundreds even thousands of tables and

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

I think I need to make a few clarifications. We (we as in Google) are not planning to go on delete any code from GWT-SDK after 2.8 release. Yes, we believe Widget, GWT-RPC, RF etc. reached end of its useful life and we will not invest on them anymore however if there is enough interest/demand

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Exactly, although future releases of GWT will still allow you to create your UI components (you have access to the DOM tree), the point is to reuse external widget collections instead of reinvent the wheel. Obviously nowadays UI designers are much more comfortable writing components using html +

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Monday, 16 November 2015 18:52:50 UTC, Jens wrote: > > > I'm not talking about a re-write here, I'm talking about new projects. For >> new projects, I can't see a compelling reason for picking GWT, if the devs >> are going to have to understand JS to use GWT then it is better to invest >>

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Keep in mind at Google, we write lots of large Web projects, and even the ones that are pure JS (G+, Gmail, Docs, Maps, etc) use Closure Compiler and lots of typing. We find it invaluable. But the world is going mobile, and going forward, you need to support Android, iOS, and Web, and you need to

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Thomas gets it all correct. I just want to add one thing: If you are happy with the current GWT stack (uibinder + widget ...), stay with it. As I mentioned during the key notes, the GWT 2.8 will be a long maintenance release and you have now everything you need to do a great web app. Don't try to

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Monday, 16 November 2015 12:34:51 UTC, Thomas Broyer wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 11:29:14 AM UTC+1, Robert Stone wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 15 November 2015 15:37:29 UTC, Stephen Haberman wrote: >>> >>> >>> My worry about "just pick a mainstream JS framework and use it

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Monday, 16 November 2015 12:51:35 UTC, Thomas Broyer wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 1:28:16 PM UTC+1, stuckagain wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the feedback. But it does not put my mind at rest right >> now. >> >> It would have been much better if GWT 2.8 would have provided

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 11:29:14 AM UTC+1, Robert Stone wrote: > > > > On Sunday, 15 November 2015 15:37:29 UTC, Stephen Haberman wrote: >> >> >> My worry about "just pick a mainstream JS framework and use it via >> JSInterop" is that if you're a) coupled to a JS environment for unit

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 1:28:16 PM UTC+1, stuckagain wrote: > > Thanks for all the feedback. But it does not put my mind at rest right > now. > > It would have been much better if GWT 2.8 would have provided at least the > basis for the future of GUI development - because that was

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

David Chandler from Sencha answered a question about widgets and GWT 3.0: https://www.sencha.com/forum/showthread.php?306057-GWT-3.0-Sencha-GXT-and-the-future-of-the-widget-eco-system- "Thanks for the kinds words about GXT. We still don't have any more info on GWT 3 than what has been

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Thanks for all the feedback. But it does not put my mind at rest right now. It would have been much better if GWT 2.8 would have provided at least the basis for the future of GUI development - because that was one of its main selling points for me. I understand why element/widget/uibinder are

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

> I'm not talking about a re-write here, I'm talking about new projects. For > new projects, I can't see a compelling reason for picking GWT, if the devs > are going to have to understand JS to use GWT then it is better to invest > up front time in getting them familiar enough with JS to use

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

> I guess I will be trying UiBinder with GQuery and not rely on Widget for > my project. The UiBinder might disappear, but we are using mostly plain > HTML and Bootstrap styles. So we are only interested in binding events. The > UiBinder templates will be easy to migrate later on. > FWIW this is

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Errai UI ? On 17 Nov 2015 00:41, "Stephen Haberman" wrote: > > >> I guess I will be trying UiBinder with GQuery and not rely on Widget for >> my project. The UiBinder might disappear, but we are using mostly plain >> HTML and Bootstrap styles. So we are only

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

My hope would be that some enterprising individuals will start porting pieces of GWT generators to annotation processors in the future. Some of them are definitely doable without much effort (CssResource/ClientBundle/etc) Some of them will require more work, but are still possible (UiBinder with

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

On Sunday, 15 November 2015 15:37:29 UTC, Stephen Haberman wrote: > > > My worry about "just pick a mainstream JS framework and use it via > JSInterop" is that if you're a) coupled to a JS environment for unit > testing and b) interfacing with a framework that is inherently > dynamic/untyped,

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

This is an interesting question (what to use for a greenfield GWT project)... > UiBinder: Would need a rewrite to use APT. I guess no one has looked into > it yet. One main issue is that APT won't get triggered when updating > resources (*.ui.xml) > Yeah, I would probably skip APT and just use

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

> > Yeah. The conundrum for me is that I'm addicted to the pure-JVM unit > testing/debugging that MVP gives you. > I believe Angular controllers, Flux Stores etc. can be just as JUnit-testable as MVP, when implemented in Java and exposed through JsInterop. There is a lot of pioneering to do,

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

> > The important thing is to keep an open mind, not trying to force JS > frameworks into our current best practices, and willingness to be inspired > by the best practices of the chosen JS framework. > > Our best practices has emerged from the constraints of GWT, and those > constraints has just

Re: [gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

I think you get it all correct; in particular J2CL != GWT3. J2CL is a separate/unbundled "Java to Closure style ES6" transpiler that Google works on and only shares the JRE emulation and JsInterop from GWT-SDK. There is an intention to open-source it when it is ready and J2CL+JsCompiler together

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

David Chandler made a statement regarding Sencha GXT: https://www.sencha.com/forum/showthread.php?306057-GWT-3.0-Sencha-GXT-and-the-future-of-the-widget-eco-system- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. To unsubscribe from

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

I was at GWTcon, and my perception of Juliens keynote and his presentation on JSInterop was, that he used AngularJS to demonstrate that it is now possible to use a JS based framework with GWT 2.8 through JSInterop, and to show solutions to common issues you might run into while doing so. Which

[gwt-contrib] Re: GWTCon 2015 keynote question

Well if you want to switch to J2CL in the future and you want to be absolutely sure that you actually can switch then you should not use any GWT library/framework and GWT SDK features that can not guarantee to work with J2CL. GXT/Vaadin: You should ask them about their plans regarding J2CL