Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Luca Delucchi
On 23 January 2015 at 08:34, Maris Nartiss wrote: > > Please, let's not try to compete with QGIS in ease of use, as we will > lose due to lack of manpower and different goals (quality and power > over ease of use). Spatial data is hard. High quality analysis is > hard. Let's keep GRASS profession

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Neteler
Hi, my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and walk away ("too difficult"). Yes, and they will likely not read the manual but just take another GIS. This is a multiple times reported fact. Let's sol

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Paulo van Breugel
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Michael Barton wrote: > Hi Vaclav, > > To be clear, I agree with you that GRASS should not start with a wizard > and had did not intend anyone to think that. > > The ‘step 1, step 2, step 3’ was simply to put this as text on the > startup dialog, to help users

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Paulo van Breugel
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > Hi, > > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many > potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and > walk away ("too difficult"). Yes, and they will likely not read the manual > but just

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Neteler
On Jan 23, 2015 9:26 AM, "Paulo van Breugel" wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and walk away ("too difficult"). Y

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Martin Landa
Hi, 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many > potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and > walk away ("too difficult"). Yes, and they will likely not read the manual > but just take another GIS.

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Neteler
On Jan 23, 2015 4:41 AM, "Vaclav Petras" wrote: > If we want this for the release, we should proceed with this. Or do you want to move it to 7.0.1? Definitely for 7.0.0. A new major release must come with a new splash screen. Thanks Markus ___ grass-de

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Martin Landa
Hi, 2015-01-23 4:41 GMT+01:00 Vaclav Petras : >> Yes, perhaps it could be an image in which an old map is warped into >> something volumetric? So, from old to new? >> > > If we want this for the release, we should proceed with this. Or do you want > to move it to 7.0.1? +1 Even hard freeze, this

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Paulo van Breugel
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Martin Landa wrote: > Hi, > > 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : > > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many > > potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and > > walk away ("too difficult"). Yes, an

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
On 23 January 2015 at 15:46, Martin Landa wrote: > Hi, > > 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : > > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many > > potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and > > walk away ("too difficult"). Yes, and the

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #2490: EPSG code not saved in PROJ_EPSG

2015-01-23 Thread GRASS GIS
#2490: EPSG code not saved in PROJ_EPSG +--- Reporter: hellik | Owner: martinl Type: defect | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone:

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
Yann Chemin writes: > On 23 January 2015 at 15:46, Martin Landa wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : >> > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many >> > potential new users try to launch GRASS, do not get past that screen and >> > walk away

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Vincent Bain
A second proposal for splash screen and welcome banner (adapted to dark backgrounds) you can pick there : http://lesfavrets.fr/telec/grass_splash_2.tar.gz The carex image is in the public domain http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carexpraegracilis0.jpg Fonts are free (see previous post for Ex

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
... I like that grass, it splashes ... On 23 January 2015 at 17:15, Vincent Bain wrote: > A second proposal for splash screen and welcome banner (adapted to dark > backgrounds) you can pick there : > http://lesfavrets.fr/telec/grass_splash_2.tar.gz > > The carex image is in the public domain > h

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
On 23 January 2015 at 16:49, Rainer M Krug wrote: > Yann Chemin writes: > > > On 23 January 2015 at 15:46, Martin Landa > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : > >> > my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many > >> > potential new use

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Luca Delucchi
On 23 January 2015 at 13:09, Yann Chemin wrote: > ... I like that grass, it splashes ... > I like too -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ grass-dev mailing list grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Metz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2015 9:26 AM, "Paulo van Breugel" wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> my motivation to discuss the current welcome screen is that too many >>> potential new users try to launch

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Metz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Yann Chemin wrote: > > > On 23 January 2015 at 16:49, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >> Yann Chemin writes: >> >> > On 23 January 2015 at 15:46, Martin Landa >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> 2015-01-23 9:20 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler : >> >> > my motivation to disc

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Neteler
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Vincent Bain wrote: > A second proposal for splash screen and welcome banner (adapted to dark > backgrounds) you can pick there : > http://lesfavrets.fr/telec/grass_splash_2.tar.gz > > The carex image is in the public domain > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fil

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Vincent Bain
Thanks for theses feedbacks, Le vendredi 23 janvier 2015 à 14:41 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit : > Do you see a chance to morph the true grass into a map (from left to > right or so)? > > IMHO we need to somehow communicate that spatial data are involved. > certainly, I agree the image should h

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Margherita Di Leo
Hi, On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Markus Metz wrote: > > That is why I suggested a minimal (minimal information content) > welcome screen with one OK button and one change button. The OK button > should be prominently placed, the user must immediately see that all > is needed to get started i

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Margherita Di Leo
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Markus Metz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Yann Chemin wrote: > > > > > >> > > hmm that would be cool ! > > running r(v).in.* without GISDBASE or Location or mapset could trigger a > > wizard to set them up... > > This is the current location wizard. >

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Anna Petrášová
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Margherita Di Leo wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Markus Metz < > markus.metz.gisw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> That is why I suggested a minimal (minimal information content) >> welcome screen with one OK button and one change button. The OK bu

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
On 23 January 2015 at 22:18, Anna Petrášová wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Margherita Di Leo > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Markus Metz < >> markus.metz.gisw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> That is why I suggested a minimal (minimal information content)

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Michael Barton
An informal poll of the grad students in my lab this morning. All said “Wow”. Very professional! I like the idea of GRASS morphing into a map of some kind. Also like Vaclav’s tweaks to make the start up a little easier to navigate—2 list choice controls with relevant buttons next to them and si

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Nikos Alexandris
On 23.01.2015 15:18, Vincent Bain wrote: Thanks for theses feedbacks, Le vendredi 23 janvier 2015 à 14:41 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit : Do you see a chance to morph the true grass into a map (from left to right or so)? IMHO we need to somehow communicate that spatial data are involved. ce

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Nikos Alexandris
Yann Chemin wrote: > hmm that would be cool ! > running r(v).in.* without GISDBASE or Location or mapset could trigger a > wizard to set them up... Markus Metz: This is the current location wizard. The original topic was import and on-the-fly reprojection without the need to create a ne

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
On 23 January 2015 at 22:56, Michael Barton wrote: > An informal poll of the grad students in my lab this morning. All said > “Wow”. Very professional! > > I like the idea of GRASS morphing into a map of some kind. Also like > Vaclav’s tweaks to make the start up a little easier to navigate—2 l

[GRASS-dev] i.spectral error in trunk

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
Hi, got this error message when running i.spectral. btw, is there a plan to have i.spectral running in the GUI with the other tools? --- i.spectral group=m3@yann coordinates=-23.4344978039,-3.00860909257 ERROR: Neither MONITOR (managed by d

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Michael Barton
If we want to do something from GRASS instead of something historic, I bet Markus has a LOT of cool maps floating around that we might be able to use. Michael __ C. Michael Barton Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School of Hu

Re: [GRASS-dev] i.spectral error in trunk

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
Following the error, launched manually d.mon wx0 ISIS-GRASS 7.1.svn (M3):~/M3 > d.mon wx0 ISIS-GRASS 7.1.svn (M3):~/M3 > i.spectral group=m3@yann coordinates=-23.4344978039,-3.00860909257 ISIS-GRASS 7.1.svn (M3):~/M3 > GRASS_INFO_WARNING(15380,1): Unsupported command d.linegraph. On 23 January 2

Re: [GRASS-dev] i.spectral error in trunk

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
it does display something with -g flag On 23 January 2015 at 23:49, Yann Chemin wrote: > Following the error, launched manually d.mon wx0 > > ISIS-GRASS 7.1.svn (M3):~/M3 > d.mon wx0 > ISIS-GRASS 7.1.svn (M3):~/M3 > i.spectral group=m3@yann coordinates=-23. > 4344978039,-3.00860909257 > ISIS-GRA

Re: [GRASS-dev] Making start of GRASS GIS easier for newcomers

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Metz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Margherita Di Leo wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Markus Metz > wrote: >> >> >> That is why I suggested a minimal (minimal information content) >> welcome screen with one OK button and one change button. The OK button >> should be prominently pla

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Markus Neteler
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Michael Barton wrote: > If we want to do something from GRASS instead of something historic, I bet > Markus has a LOT of cool maps floating around that we might be able to use. Here is a lot of material: http://grass.osgeo.org/screenshots/ --> click images to se

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Michael Barton
I thought about the historical map wrapped around a globe or perhaps redone in 3D. But it would probably be too small to make it clear what the viewer was seeing. Michael __ C. Michael Barton Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Vincent Bain
This was the idea I had when talking about Cassini's globe but it requires a bit of time to set up a correct layout. Perhaps an idea with grass texture, let's se if I can do it this morning. Yann, did you have the time to test map morphing ? Le vendredi 23 janvier 2015 à 21:43 +, Michael Bar

Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

2015-01-23 Thread Yann Chemin
Hi Vincent, no time at all, unfortunately, please go ahead if you can. Yann On 24 January 2015 at 12:11, Vincent Bain wrote: > This was the idea I had when talking about Cassini's globe but it > requires a bit of time to set up a correct layout. > > Perhaps an idea with grass texture, let's se