I stand corrected, found this photo after i sent the last post
http://entertheoctopus.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/52.jpg
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The eyes on the bride look natural.
This is an example of painted eyes.
http://www.petroliaheritage.com/zpostmort.JPG
Guess which one.
Picture is from here
http://www.petroliaheritage.com/people.html
scroll down to the pic and it explains a few things.
And yes all post mortems have closed eyes.
D
I have - one or two - but they didn't look like The Bride's..
Imagine something more like that whole fish in the grocer's case, the one
you think's a little too old
Liadain
THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
"You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."
http://www.flickr.com/photos/l
Face it, they have both been dead for a long time.
But in the photo they are alive--there's really no reason to think
otherwise.
Have you EVER seen a post-mortem photo with open eyes?
Kim
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I am not aware of airbrushing, but colouring of the images is sometime
done. This is by adding pigments onto the image, which can obscure the
image underneath.
"I'm your huckleberry"
Ron Carnegie
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Thanks Ron for the images of head braces.
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Good eye Carol! I hadn't notice before the right temple/out lid. This
looks like someone painted digitally on it. I noticed the specs on the
man's suit too.
Ron, was their a type of airbrushing on photos during this time.
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Here is a better one also repro
http://www.cwreenactors.com/phorum/read.php?1,6536
"I'm your huckleberry"
Ron Carnegie
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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Ron Carnegie
Sent: Saturday, February 06
Hi Penny,
It's still a little tricky — I see jpg artifacts — it's
different than if you had the photo and did a hi-res scan yourself.
The white pixels around the flower stems could be from sharpening the
image file. I see the same effect between the man's sleeve and the
background, b
The first thought I had: She is not dead.
My second thought: I've seen a lot more wedding photos of the groom sitting and
the woman standing. And she does seem slightly reclined. And what are we
seeing at the hem of her dress? I wonder if she was partially paralyzed or
something which would
My wife?
Um let me see. http://www.cwreenactors.com/phorum/read.php?2,6421
This is the repro (the top is the part to look at the bottom isn't right
on this one. By the way I am in the market for one of these if anyone knows
where I can get one under 500 dollars
"I'm your huckleberry"
Ron
Doesn't look like a head clamp to me. They are not usually light
colored. Every original I have seen and most repros are either black or
green. The ends are shaped sort of like spoons, less elaborate than those
seem. I also wouldn't expect to see it placed so high, but then she is
wea
Patricia,
This white line is only three pixels deep. The white part is online one
pixel deep. I think it is probably a scratch on the photo or something on
the scanner glass or a bobby pin. At only three pixels, I believe it is a
scratch. I run across a lot of photo scratches like this. T
I must say, the close-up Beteena provided makes the mystery artifact
(the light colored, horizontal whats-it) at her left temple look even
more like a photographer's head-clamp than I thought originally!
As for her eyes not being completely even, well, lots of people have
uneven eyes or very s
My understanding is that this image was done with paper figures on
sticks. They are rather famous. Double images can certainly be made with
wetplate or dryplate photography and I have seen some "ghost "images that
were done that way. A double exposure will usually leave a ghostly image
t
A correction about the flower...I am almost positive that the flower was
added later. The stem does not go into a fold line, it just ends abruptly
before a normal cutting position. Behind one of the leaves there is a spot
that does not appear on the leave. If it was a good sized spot on the
Linda Walton sent me the image URL and I have zoomed in on the photo. The
buckle on the belt slightly to her left side. The belt's bottom rests and
about an inch above the bodice's bottom. This seems a bit odd location to
me. Has anyone seen this fashion trend?
The flowers are carnations.
Here is the close up:
http://app2.sellersourcebook.com/users/101103/img_0003_new_0001_1264906695.jpg
I couldn't find the full image.
From: Penny Ladnier
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this real or not
What a lively discussion on a snowy weekend! We dodged the big bullet this
weekend Ron!
I checked my massive bridal photo collection from 1880-1919. Her bodice
dates from 1898-1902. So here are my observations from my collection:
***About half of the photos during these four decades, the cou
Thank you. I remember seeing this picture before. I suppose it is just
natural to see what one can do artistically with a new medium.
Anne
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Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:11
Double exposure. though the second exposure does not appear real solid.
not sure if this is a good example, might be figs on a stick.
http://tinyurl.com/2o6b8r
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Does anybody know if photographers back
then could superimpose such things?
Anne
I remember reading about ladies tucking bouquets in their belts, or pinning
them to their waists, and I thought of that when I saw this photo. She looks
very much alive to me, but those flowers are definitely past their prime.
M.
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The flowers appear to be slightly wilted as if they were picked early
morning and it is afternoon. Some of the stems are resting in the lap and
may be the cause of the angle of the bouquet. If there was a larger picture
you might see a buckle on that waist ribbon on the left of the sitter,
somethin
Ann,
Yes there was superimposed photography at the time. I have seen photos of a
family in a graveyard with a ghost image of the deceased on them.
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"Dead photography" wasn't that unusual down south, at least - though it
does seem to mostly have been children (often posed as if alive in mother's
or siblings's arms <> or in a little chair or cradle; most adults I've
seen were "laid out" or in their casket. Money for photographers was
scarce,
I don't think she's dead either. IF she were in rigor, no one would
have been able to dress her in those clothes. If she had died just
before, during or just after the wedding and died in her dress, the
flowers would have been fresh. Her strange position and her feet off
the floor could easily be e
Couldn't say for sure... but I do notice that her pose is very "odd" for
the time. Generally speaking, you'd expect the bride to be sitting
upright, not slightly reclined. Also, you can clearly see her shoes -
not flat on the floor. I can't think of another picture with long
skirts that show
I just realized something else. While it is true that a body goes into rigor
after death, I believe (too much CSI) that rigor then PASSES. So unless the
bride was photographed IMMEDIATELY after death (in that rigor phase) she
would not have been stiff. And I agree with the person who said her corse
I agree that she looks very much alive. The pose for both of them looks
totally normal for the time period. I also agree that she is simply looking
at something else than the groom. I do not think that he looks upset and
there really were a lot of mourning rituals back then. Her flowers do not
Hey Carol,
I have seen plenty of post mortem shots that were not in coffins, though
they were almost all if not all if young children. Many of these have the
subject posed as if sleeping sometimes in its mother's arms. Usually they
don't quite look right and you can therefore tell that they
My experience with photographs is mostly earlier (I am a wet plate
photographer and this is almost certainly dry plate) but I agree with you.
I do not believe that this is a post mortem photograph at all. Here is the
seller's reasoning.
"The bride in the photo is clearly deceased. Her
I've heard of post-mortem photos that are taken of the person
in a coffin. Are there other examples of them with a dead person
posed sitting up?
There is something on the side of her head which could be a
barrette or could be a head prop or rest of some sort. It does not
look
Dianne,
that's an oh-come-now. :) The seller is ignorant.
The bride is not necessarily relaxed, but sitting that way because of
her gown and corset. She is leaning slightly back, but her corset
doesn't allow her a bend at the waist. The flowers are probably not
photoshopped; she is holding
I found a photo on eBay that is being described as a post-mortem bride
photo. What do you think, is she death or not? Read the description the
seller has of the bride. The item number is 380202466338>>
I don't believe this is a post mortem photo. I don't think that woman looks
dead, she has
Thanks for that info.
The only ones that I knew of looked like they were taken at the wake.
Onaree
On 2/6/10, Beteena Paradise wrote:
> There have been pictures of them sitting in chairs. But that woman is
> obviously alive.
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> From: Onaree Berard
> To
There have been pictures of them sitting in chairs. But that woman is obviously
alive.
From: Onaree Berard
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 12:32:26 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this real or not?
I don't think that this is a postmortem phot
Her posture is unusually relaxed, but her eyes
are far more alive than most other brides´ of
that time. And I agree, the flowers look like put
into the photo later - they seem to float in the
air somewhere in front of her belt and nowhere
attached. Or do I just not see the ribbon?
Wouldn´t the
I don't think that this is a postmortem photo.
I did read (I think it was a book or article) that very early in
photography there were photos of dead people done (or people who the
family might never see again in life -- Civil War soldiers being a
great example) but they were always lying down, no
In a message dated 2/6/2010 4:45:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sha...@collierfam.com writes:
Who would want a picture
of a dead woman bride and what reputable photographer (as this seems to be)
would agree to do that?
People DID take pictures of their dead babies--I have seen some. But I
If you look at the dress, the ribbon that the seller says is "holding her
up" is clearly a ribbon at the waist. If it was holding her up it would have
to go under the veil, but it doesn't look as if it is doing that. This looks
like any other photo of this period, in which the sitters had to sit st
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:29:43 -0500
"Penny Ladnier" wrote:
I found a photo on eBay that is
being described as a post-mortem
bride photo. What do you think, is
she death or not? Read the
description the seller has of the
bride. The item number is
380202466338.
she does seem to be in a
I found a photo on eBay that is being described as a post-mortem bride photo.
What do you think, is she death or not? Read the description the seller has of
the bride. The item number is 380202466338.
Penny Ladnier (who has been snow-bound for two weeks)
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
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