No, I didn't remove the ability to launch COM objects.
I didn't realize that templates can launch COM objects. That's really
cool. I need to learn more about this!
Thanks
Kevin
On 10/16/05, Steven McPhelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you said that you removed the COM objects from CPRS,
When you said that you removed the COM objects from CPRS, I assumed you had also removed the components that allow a COM object to be invoked from within a template as outlined in the manuals.
On 10/15/05, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 10/15/05, steven mcphelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
gt; short-comings of the existing COM function.
I'm not following you for some reason.
Sorry.
Kevin
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members
October 14, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java
Again, as I have looked at CPRS, the only COM object used is
TWebBrowser. And I was able to take that out for the Wine CPRS
without any significan
rchitect | Dialog Medical
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruben
Safir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:11 AM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 00:
On 10/14/05, Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-snip-
> > Again, as I have looked at CPRS, the only COM object used is
> > TWebBrowser. And I was able to take that out for the Wine CPRS
> > without any significant change to CPRS.
>
> So, does it use OLE automation to invoke IE? Sorry,
On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
On 10/13/05, Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Components in Delphi are basically COM objects. The closest analog in
Java is a bean.
I do not believe this is true. The only COM components are those that
are wrappers for an Activ
On 10/13/05, Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Components in Delphi are basically COM objects. The closest analog in
> Java is a bean.
I do not believe this is true. The only COM components are those that
are wrappers for an ActiveX object. This would be things like
TWebBrowser. But t
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 02:11 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Who is working on the Pharmacy Benefits management stuff?
>
Does this have anything to do with Converting CPRS to Java, or creating
a crossplatform client at all?
If not, why is it not its own thread with its own subject, and without
inline
Who is working on the Pharmacy Benefits management stuff?
Ruben
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 22:25 -0700, Todd Berman wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 01:30 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > David was the head of Bayonne and was working with dotgnu and did a lot
> > of unrelated work with C++ libs and Object
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 01:30 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> David was the head of Bayonne and was working with dotgnu and did a lot
> of unrelated work with C++ libs and Object or Common C. He's a FSF
> speaker and lives/lived near Morris NJ. I lost touch with him about a
> year ago. I think I got a
David was the head of Bayonne and was working with dotgnu and did a lot
of unrelated work with C++ libs and Object or Common C. He's a FSF
speaker and lives/lived near Morris NJ. I lost touch with him about a
year ago. I think I got a message that his family was moving to
Maryland.
http://www.u
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 01:08 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 00:21 -0400, David Sommers wrote:
> > MONO IS AN OPTION. (read more...)
> >
>
> Is David Sugar will working with Mono? I've been trying to track him
> down for months.
>
A quick grep through the mono and mcs ChangeL
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 00:21 -0400, David Sommers wrote:
> [And I've been using Eclipse for about 3 weeks on my laptop again,
> damn
> - I thought they would've fixed the speed problem by now... oh
> well...]
>
The hospital software?
Ruben
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 00:21 -0400, David Sommers wrote:
> MONO IS AN OPTION. (read more...)
>
Is David Sugar will working with Mono? I've been trying to track him
down for months.
Ruben
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On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 00:21 -0400, David Sommers wrote:
> MONO IS AN OPTION. (read more...)
David, I am happy to inform you that you have won a cookie. Chocolate
chip or pecan, your choice :). (And yes, it is not only an option, it is
the stark beautiful reality) (And it runs amazingly well).
-
David Sommers, Architect | Dialog Medical
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:10 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java
Ruben Safir wrote:
As I understand it, CPRS is a delphi program? If so, it will need to be
eventually replaced with something less proprietary if Vista is to survive.
But it is a mistake to try to duplicate CPRS. Draw new specs and create the
programming needed and not in Java (from the pan in
>
> It just takes time is all. Time that we are spending in other places
> right now. I am trying to find time to spend in that place so we can
> open up the development, but it just isn't there today.
>
> If someone in this community was willing to step forward, and offer to
> setup, and maintai
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 20:17 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > What tool is 'their tool'? Bugzilla is a web interface, so I dont
> > understand what 'has bugzilla and the a web interface' means.
> >
>
>
> Call Nat on your cell and ask him. Bugzilla messages end up on a web
> site where they tra
>
> What tool is 'their tool'? Bugzilla is a web interface, so I dont
> understand what 'has bugzilla and the a web interface' means.
>
Call Nat on your cell and ask him. Bugzilla messages end up on a web
site where they tract the bugs and keep track of them. That is all I
know of it.
I've n
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 20:09 -0400, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Could we put the weapons down, please?
>
Awww! :)
Yes.
> I would appreciate it if you would expand on your reasoning for the
> selection of a particular product or library rather than just spar with each
> other. There is much to
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:09:53PM -0400, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Could we put the weapons down, please?
>
> I am an accomplished programmer and I get lost in some of these discussions.
> I would like to ask those of you who are knowledgeable, and willing, to
> attempt to explain a bit more to
.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java
> >
> > And no, it wasn't obviously clear that you meant to use gtk+ instead of
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:53 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:28:41PM -0700, Todd Berman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:22 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > The stuff ximian uses wouldn't work? I can contact Nat Friedman et al if
> > > you need.
> > >
> >
> > Hahaha.
> >
>
> And no, it wasn't obviously clear that you meant to use gtk+ instead of
> Java AWT. I am just going to assume you feel the same about Java Swing.
>
Not clear to you anyway. Clear to anyone with enough background. As for swing,
don't know, and don't care other than the fact that as Java it
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:28:41PM -0700, Todd Berman wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:22 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > The stuff ximian uses wouldn't work? I can contact Nat Friedman et al if
> > you need.
> >
>
> Hahaha.
>
> Sorry dude, but name dropping with me doesn't work, if I wanted to
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:22 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> The stuff ximian uses wouldn't work? I can contact Nat Friedman et al if you
> need.
>
Hahaha.
Sorry dude, but name dropping with me doesn't work, if I wanted to talk
to Nat or Miguel, I would just pick up my cell and call them.
Ximian d
> > What is it exactly that you guys need?
>
>
> A webapp that will allow bug tracking (that doesnt suck, and
> sourceforge.net's issue tracking is horrific), file releases, code
> browsing, mailing lists / forums (meaning a forum that will also send
> and receive email), integrated Wiki. In addi
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:20 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > If you have followed any of my previous discussions with Kevin, we *ARE*
> > using gtk+, but using gtk+ has nothing to do with the language that you
> > end up using.
>
> gtk is a toolkit. I've been using it for about 7 years, along with g
The stuff ximian uses wouldn't work? I can contact Nat Friedman et al if you
need.
Ruben
> > What is it exactly that you guys need?
>
>
> A webapp that will allow bug tracking (that doesnt suck, and
> sourceforge.net's issue tracking is horrific), file releases, code
> browsing, mailing lists
> If you have followed any of my previous discussions with Kevin, we *ARE*
> using gtk+, but using gtk+ has nothing to do with the language that you
> end up using.
gtk is a toolkit. I've been using it for about 7 years, along with gnome. I
sponsored the Gnome
Developers Sumit not so long ago.
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 18:16 -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 17:01 -0500, Todd Berman wrote:
>
> [KSB] <...snip...>
>
> > We are hoping to make it available under open licensing and with a
> > completely transparent development model, but the main stumbling
> > block
> > right
inal Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.S.
Bhaskar
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:16 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 17:01 -0500, Todd Berman wrote:
[KSB]
Ruben, I will reply to both emails here. So here is the bits from the
first that I am replying to:
What kind of thing would that be?
Just stuff like parts of the templating engine for example, there are a
lot of interesting behaviours that you MU
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 17:01 -0500, Todd Berman wrote:
[KSB] <...snip...>
> We are hoping to make it available under open licensing and with a
> completely transparent development model, but the main stumbling
> block
> right now is the lack of a place to handle our development openly
> (think
>
> We are hoping to make it available under open licensing and with a
> completely transparent development model, but the main stumbling block
> right now is the lack of a place to handle our development openly (think
> sourceforge, and for us sourceforge will not work). And we are unwilling
> to
>
> My experience has been generally one of "Holy crap, CPRS does what?!"
>
What kind of thing would that be?
It alway a mistake to try to duplicate another program becuase your
shooting at a moving target and trying to repeat all the mistakes as
well as the successes and failures.
As I under
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 15:50 -0500, Mark Dalton wrote:
>
> I was not meaning for it to be a big discussion, just curious if it
> would be a good path to take.
>
> I was hoping to find a simple solution and to help make development
> quicker and easier
> for us to work on it and have it truely port
--- Mark Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was not meaning for it to be a big discussion, just curious if it
> would be
> a good path to take.
>
> I was hoping to find a simple solution and to help make development
> quicker
> and easier
> for us to work on it and have it truely portable (v
--- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 13:20 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:> > if you're
working from a set of functional requirements, then it is
> not
> > necessary to understand the existing code, only what it does.
> Trying to
> > "translate" someone else's code can
I was not meaning for it to be a big discussion, just curious if it would be a good path to take.
I was hoping to find a simple solution and to help make development quicker and easier
for us to work on it and have it truely portable (versus via wine).
I guess I will look more at FixIT since tha
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 13:20 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
>
> --- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:37 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So yeah, I'd say not for the faint of heart.
> > >
--- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:37 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
> >
> > --- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > So yeah, I'd say not for the faint of heart.
> > >
> > > --Todd
> > >
> >
> > I might add that developing a NEW product c
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:37 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
>
> --- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > So yeah, I'd say not for the faint of heart.
> >
> > --Todd
> >
>
> I might add that developing a NEW product could prove to be easier, and
> a more successful strategy than tryin
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:34 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
>
> --- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >with a task something that a larger team at the VA (that has
> > easier
> > access to testing, and QA facilities) has been working on for 10+
> > years.
> >
>
> That can be deceptive, too.
--- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So yeah, I'd say not for the faint of heart.
>
> --Todd
>
I might add that developing a NEW product could prove to be easier, and
a more successful strategy than trying to port the old one. It's like
trying to "program" a neural net weight by we
--- Todd Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>with a task something that a larger team at the VA (that has
> easier
> access to testing, and QA facilities) has been working on for 10+
> years.
>
That can be deceptive, too. It hasn't been one big 10 year release
cycle. But I agree with you that tr
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:30 -0500, Mark Dalton wrote:
>
> CPRS would take too long for me alone to do in my spare time. (rarely
> available) :)
> Also I don't have/use Delphi, which is not standard in the HPC world
> but then neither
> is Java (yet).
>
> I was curious how much it would cost to ha
Did you look at Lazarus. Kylix is not being developed or supported further
and I understand that part of the reason it isn't is Lazarus.
On Thursday 13 October 2005 01:56 pm, Mark Dalton wrote:
Yes, i looked at Kylix and did not think it was a good option.. Since again
it ties
you to a vendor an
--- Mark Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From my perspective it is either port it or start from scratch.
As Nancy suggests, you may want to look at CPRS-R, but basically I
agree with you: port it or start from scratch.
> Perhaps once we get more interest in India on Vista we can leverag
Yes, i looked at Kylix and did not think it was a good option.. Since again it ties
you to a vendor and limits the portability, limits the support you can get and limits
the number of people that can work or would be interested in working on the code.
>From my perspective it is either port it or
Or maybe tweak wine to allow CPRS to run under Linux.
-- Bhaskar
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 12:37 -0500, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> I think you are even looking at a bigger job than you describe. You
> would have to convert not only the code of CPRS itself, but also all
> the components/widgets/bean
Since the VA is working on it, at least wait until you see how much of that
gets done in the first round. And they are adding enhancements. I am afraid
you would just have something obsolete when it was done.
I would think sitting tight until it comes out and then seeing what we can do
with
--- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are even looking at a bigger job than you describe. You
> would have to convert not only the code of CPRS itself, but also all
> the components/widgets/beans what ever you call the drag and drop
> stuff.
In Java, it's called "drag a
--- Mark Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since there are about 300 .pas files and more than 200 delphi forms,
> they
> estimated:
>
> Approximately, it requires about 6 months to complete the
> transition. By applying our minimal rate, $20/hour, it will
> cost: $20.400 = 6 months * 170 h
I think you are even looking at a bigger job than you describe. You
would have to convert not only the code of CPRS itself, but also all
the components/widgets/beans what ever you call the drag and drop
stuff.
What about working to convert it with Kylix. That would be much more feasible.
Kevin
CPRS would take too long for me alone to do in my spare time. (rarely available) :)
Also I don't have/use Delphi, which is not standard in the HPC world but then neither
is Java (yet).
I was curious how much it would cost to have a company convert CPRS to
Java for us. It would be a 'off-shore'
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