Local system time (was Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate)

2010-11-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2010.11.9 12:52 PM, Chris Devers wrote: > How much of this stuff is, in practice, an actual problem for a system that > is, as all systems should, synchronizing the clock over NTP? In the time between boot and the network coming up and sync you will get offset timestamps. Log messages, file mo

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Alan Amaya
It's a desktop, it's closer to a VCR or a microwave than a mail server. If it was properly implemented it would store filesystem timestamps in UTC by converting from the system clock using the timezone. Is there an RFC that says whether email times are allowed to include leap seconds, because oth

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Chris Devers
Maybe I'm stupid, but I just use network time & be done with it. I recently installed Ubuntu in VMware on my Macbook, and the setup process asked if the hardware clock is set to local or UTC time. I had no idea (a) what the physical hardware clock on a Mac is set to (no GUI or plist or sysctl or o

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:53:14 -0500, david.mackint...@xdroop.com wrote: > You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the > message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses > that your client knows about? You get a useless "header" like this: Best cases are whe

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2010.11.9 9:31 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: > Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as well. I > don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac OS. I can assure you OS X is using a UTC clock. What you're likely seeing is OS 9 setting the system clock to localti

Re: Hatred of the very *idea* of Comic Sans

2010-11-09 Thread Joshua Juran
On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Joe wrote: Just a friendly reminder that our [...] class meets tonight (Tuesday) instead of Thursday in honor of Veterens Day.See you at 5pm!color="#0066cc" face="comic sans,comic sans ms,arial,helvetica,sans- serif"> Professor [...] Obviously, this is some s

Hatred of the very *idea* of Comic Sans

2010-11-09 Thread Joe
First, this is the "plain text" attachment to the html email that my university's email system vomits out. Second, I don't even have to actually see the Comic Sans, it is enough to see it encased in a tag to piss me off. I don't even want to think about what color #0066cc is. Shit, I looked. I

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread demerphq
On 9 November 2010 16:53, wrote: > You know how when you forward or reply Ah.. Ive heard enough There seems to be a law of the universe that all email clients are in some way or another hateful, the hate can merely be moved around, not completely eliminated. Yves -- perl -Mre=debug -e "/j

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Abigail
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:45:07PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote: > > >Who needs > >timezones anyway? > > Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change > it twice a year in most places - rather than simply le

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Walt Mankowski
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 09:31:52AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as > well. I don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac > OS. There are of course many hateful things about OS X, but it does generally keep its internal

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Joshua Juran
On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Roger Burton West wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote: Who needs timezones anyway? Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on gmtime and

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Roger Burton West wrote: > > Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change > it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on > gmtime and converting in-OS (i.e. the Unix or "correct" way)? Dunno. One of my colleagues has a new Exchan

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote: >Who needs >timezones anyway? Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on gmtime and converting in-OS (i.e. the Unix or "correct" way)? (I sti

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread fREW Schmidt
> AFAIK gmail ignores dots in local parts, so you own both. > Verified. I just logged in as fr.ioux -- fREW Schmidt http://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Jonathan J. M. Katz wrote: > > gmail can't consistently tell the difference between > jonathan.k...@gmail.com and jonathank...@gmail.com. > (I own the former, not the latter.) AFAIK gmail ignores dots in local parts, so you own both. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Jonathan J. M. Katz
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Joshua Rodman wrote: And then of course, the client autocompletes names as the primary behavior when setting up receipients, so each Larry is always receiving email intended for the others.  If they're anything like me, they just delete them. I have a mildly co

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Joshua Rodman
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 05:00:09PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:53, wrote: > > In this case, my, Larry, and Curly's addresses are hidden here > > because my outlook has them listed in one of my Address books (or the > > GAL) with a "Display As" value. > > > > ...which i

Re: Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread Philip Newton
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:53, wrote: You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses that your client knows about?  You get a useless "header" like this: From: Matt McUser [mailto:mmu...@someplace.com] Sent: W

Outlook Forwarded Email Hate

2010-11-09 Thread David . Mackintosh
You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses that your client knows about? You get a useless "header" like this: From: Matt McUser [mailto:mmu...@someplace.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:08 AM To: