Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2008-04-29, at 05:40, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
How do you know the current locale?
In Linux, at least, I know the kernel is somewhat locale-aware.
The program opening the file might not even be on the same computer as
the file system.
True. That would confuse the
num...@deathwyrm.com writes:
Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about
ınstall and İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in?
How about german ß and SS?
I agree. The filesystem should not attempt to change names. Are
cafe and café the
Smylers wrote:
So if I have a file called INSTALL then I can (probably) open it as
install to edit it. But then if I save it as install, the very name I
opened it as, it'll create a separate file with that exact name rather
than overwriting the one I opened? That sounds pretty hateful.
Peter da Silva wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall and
İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about german ß
and SS?
I agree. The filesystem should not attempt to change names. Are cafe
and café the same word? The Englishman says yes, the Frenchman
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall and
İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about german ß and
SS?
I agree. The filesystem should not attempt to change names. Are cafe and
café the same word? The Englishman says yes, the Frenchman says no. Just
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:05:25AM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
That's nothing. Microsoft pledged support for running NT in Alpha
and MIPS processors!
which they did. NT 4.0 supported both. rumor has it that Alpha support
was in Windows 2000 all the way up to RC2.
--
Aaron J. Grier |
Aaron J. Grier wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:05:25AM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
That's nothing. Microsoft pledged support for running NT in Alpha
and MIPS processors!
which they did. NT 4.0 supported both. rumor has it that Alpha support
I know. Much good it did do to Digital.
Michael Leuchtenburg wrote:
Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2008-04-01, at 17:16, Nicholas Clark wrote:
What's hateful about rsync?
There isn't (or wasn't) any stream mode, so you can't use the
equivalent of rsync ... - | ssh foo rsync -, instead you have magic
syntax to specify rsh/ssh
On 2008-04-01 at 18:43 +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote:
Serves him right for not quoting untrusted data properly.
So you never recursively scp data?
scp per SSHv1 and OpenSSH SSHv2 protocol (but not ssh.com SSHv2, where
it's retargeted to use the SFTP protocol backend) uses rcp as the
Back during the whole scp1 versus scp2 fiasco, I got used to using
tar cfz - directory | ssh u...@host sh -c cd $wherever; tar xfz -
Both scp and rsync suffer mightily from hatefully poor layering.
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 05:05:41PM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote:
Both scp and rsync suffer mightily from hatefully poor layering.
What's hateful about rsync?
Nicholas Clark
On 2008-04-01, at 17:16, Nicholas Clark wrote:
What's hateful about rsync?
Unless someone has done a complete rewrite from scratch in the past
couple of years...
The protocol is a horrible mishmash. The only spec is the code.
There isn't (or wasn't) any stream mode, so you can't use the
Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2008-04-01, at 17:16, Nicholas Clark wrote:
What's hateful about rsync?
There isn't (or wasn't) any stream mode, so you can't use the
equivalent of rsync ... - | ssh foo rsync -, instead you have magic
syntax to specify rsh/ssh connections and environment variables
Peter da Silva wrote:
Back during the whole scp1 versus scp2 fiasco, I got used to using
tar cfz - directory | ssh u...@host sh -c cd $wherever; tar xfz -
Tsk tsk.
cd $wherever tar xfpz -
Just in case something bad happened to $wherever since last time.
(I've had a script very much like
David Cantrell wrote:
Filename character limits are also perfectly sensible. Unix, for
example, doesn't let you use / or NUL in filenames, and for all
practical purposes you shouldn't be using a vast number of other
characters either - \'()*;? and so on. Unix will let you shoot
yourself in the
On 2008-04-01, at 18:01, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
Certain limits are unavoidable, but allowing more than the basic 26
letters is greatly appreciated by the non-English world.
VMS follows the lead of RSX, and allows the entire RADIX-50 character
set apart from space. What more do you
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:01:06PM -0400, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
Filename character limits are also perfectly sensible. Unix, for
example, doesn't let you use / or NUL in filenames, and for all
practical purposes you shouldn't be using a vast number of other
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:01:06PM -0400, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
Filename character limits are also perfectly sensible. Unix, for
example, doesn't let you use / or NUL in filenames, and for all
practical purposes you shouldn't be using a vast
On 2008-04-01, at 18:18, David Cantrell wrote:
Remember when VMS was created.
Released 1977
Now look to see what other OSes cared about non-English speakers at
the time.
IBM had EBCDIC variants for most European languages by 1974. File
names? Files can have names? o_O ;;;
1976: CDC
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 04:42:56PM -0400, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
Case-sensitivity may be a matter of preference, but I fail to see any
possible rightness about the directory depth, filename length, or
filename character limits. Especially when combined.
When the filesystem was
Incidentally, while I don't like case-smashing filesystems, I do think
that case-insensitive filesystems are a good idea, and I wish Unix was
like that. Having files called Configure and configure, or install
and
INSTALL is confusing even for someone like me who has used Unix-a-
likes
almost
Peter da Silva wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall and
İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about german ß
and SS?
Character set hate. It's the new black.
programmerbarbieYou mean, there are more than 26
letters?/programmerbarbie
On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:04 PM, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
Peter da Silva wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall
and İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about
german ß and SS?
Character set hate. It's the new black.
programmerbarbieYou mean,
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:04 PM, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
Peter da Silva wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall
and İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about
german ß and
On 2008-04-01, at 03:33, Piers Cawley wrote:
Humans are hard. Once you have that, everything's a corollary.
Oh yeh, that's why I got into software in the first place.
Because software hate doesn't burn nearly as badly.
On 1/04/2008, at 6:04 PM, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote:
programmerbarbieYou mean, there are more than 26 letters?/
programmerbarbie
bahahaha.. *sob*
We're implementing a 10k user CCR clustered exchange 2007 system at
work at the moment.. with 49 storage groups, each on their own SAN
On 31/03/2008, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall
and İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about german
ß and SS?
Character set hate. It's the new black.
Not mentioning the fact that the uppercase version of
On 2008-04-01, at 04:52, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
On 31/03/2008, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote:
So are install and INSTALL the same file? What about ınstall
and İNSTALL? Does it matter what locale you're in? How about
german
ß and SS?
Not mentioning the fact that the
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 05:26:12PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
While it is laudable to have an OS that's just a dedicated server OS with
no further desktop aspirations... come on guys. 256 character exec limit?
Most VMS servers are using ODS-2 which is a non-case preserving (think DOS)
On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:53 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
Incidentally, while I don't like case-smashing filesystems, I do think
that case-insensitive filesystems are a good idea, and I wish Unix was
like that. Having files called Configure and configure, or install
and
INSTALL is confusing even
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 05:26:12PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
While it is laudable to have an OS that's just a dedicated server OS with
no further desktop aspirations... come on guys. 256 character exec limit?
Most VMS servers are using ODS-2 which is a non-case
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:05:04AM +0100, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
DOM Storage is part of HTML5. I don't know where Microsoft stands
with regard to it, but I know all the other major vendors have
stated their intent to support it in their browsers. Some of them
already do.
Yeah, and a
Abigail wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:05:04AM +0100, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
DOM Storage is part of HTML5. I don't know where Microsoft stands
with regard to it, but I know all the other major vendors have
stated their intent to support it in their browsers. Some of them
already do.
* Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com [2008-03-25 09:05]:
On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
On 2008-03-24 at 07:26 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
A desktop application can download mail or news batch-wise
for offline viewing, but a Web app can't, except for what it
can cram into the
Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
Indeed. I've seen UNIX servers with 1+ year uptime, but sooner or later
either a disk crash or a need to patch something urgent brings them down
either by accident or by necessity. VMS takes uptime rather seriously.
(I don't know for certain but I assume that one can
On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Peter da Silva wrote:
Twenty years ago I was appalled by the emerging model of GUI
programming, the unwonted intimacies between application and
display. For me, X11's modest attempt at establishing an arm's
length distance between the application and the
On 2008-03-24 at 07:26 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
A desktop application can download mail or news batch-wise for
offline viewing, but a Web app can't, except for what it can cram into the
browser session -- it can't automatically save anything to disk.
Not true any longer.
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 17:28 -0700, Phil Pennock wrote:
Google offers: http://gears.google.com/
* Provides web-app controlled content caching and browser-side
sqlite storage. (And async threading)
* Windows XP/Vista
* Firefox 1.5+ and Internet Explorer 6.0+
* Windows Mobile 5+
On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
On 2008-03-24 at 07:26 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
A desktop application can download mail or news batch-
wise for
offline viewing, but a Web app can't, except for what it can cram
into the
browser session -- it can't automatically
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 00:53 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
On 2008-03-24 at 07:26 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
A desktop application can download mail or news batch-
wise for
offline viewing, but a Web app can't, except for what it
Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote at 00:53 on 2008-03-25:
It's time we realized that Web applications are not hypertext
documents, and actually created a system which was *designed* to
deliver them. As long as we're forcing users to install extra
software anyway, why bottleneck
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Steffan Davies wrote:
Isn't this more or less the premise of Sun's Java Web Start? Has anyone
actually seen a JWS app in the wild (apart from Sun's download manager)?
I believe it's used a lot by corporate software, e.g. either our student
information system or our
Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi wrote at 08:06 on 2008-03-25:
Indeed. I've seen UNIX servers with 1+ year uptime, but sooner or later
either a disk crash or a need to patch something urgent brings them down
either by accident or by necessity. VMS takes uptime rather seriously.
(I don't know
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Steffan Davies st...@steff.name wrote:
Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi wrote at 08:06 on 2008-03-25:
Indeed. I've seen UNIX servers with 1+ year uptime, but sooner or later
either a disk crash or a need to patch something urgent brings them down
either by
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:17:55 -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Steffan Davies st...@steff.name wrote:
Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi wrote at 08:06 on 2008-03-25:
Indeed. I've seen UNIX servers with 1+ year uptime, but sooner or later
either
Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote at 15:18 on 2008-03-25:
If you are revering to high availability clusters (such as HP Service
guard, SUN Cluster, or Veritas Cluster), the answer is no. The cluster
itself remains up, but if a node goes down, and a service is running on
such a node, the
Steffan Davies wrote:
Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi wrote at 08:06 on 2008-03-25:
Indeed. I've seen UNIX servers with 1+ year uptime, but sooner or later
either a disk crash or a need to patch something urgent brings them down
either by accident or by necessity. VMS takes uptime rather
Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2008-03-21, at 12:24, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
I've found that stabilitywise it's hard to beat logging into a Solaris
server (uptime counted in months, and downtimes are scheduled
maintenance windows, not crashes)
You know what's really hateful?
The fact that uptime
On 2008-03-23, at 07:25, Yossi Kreinin wrote:
Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2008-03-21, at 12:24, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
I've found that stabilitywise it's hard to beat logging into a
Solaris
server (uptime counted in months, and downtimes are scheduled
maintenance windows, not crashes)
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:00:16AM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote:
I have had ideas about what a cleaner model might look like. I've hoped
that somewhere in Plan 9 or Layers or NeWS would be a new metaphor that
would save us from the horrors of the GUI event loop. But nothing ever
seems to
Konsole has just crashed on me, losing a shell or six, their history and
a vim running in one of them. I think it had something to do with the
memory consumption of its child process, but I'm not sure. I've been
logged out of Linux because of OOM, but I've never had the parent of a
misbehaving
Yossi Kreinin wrote:
Konsole has just crashed on me, losing a shell or six, their history and
a vim running in one of them. I think it had something to do with the
memory consumption of its child process, but I'm not sure. I've been
logged out of Linux because of OOM, but I've never had the
On 2008-03-21, at 12:24, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
I've found that stabilitywise it's hard to beat logging into a Solaris
server (uptime counted in months, and downtimes are scheduled
maintenance windows, not crashes)
You know what's really hateful?
The fact that uptime in months, downtimes
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