[hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Mike Miller
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well, I've searched through the steampowered forums, and have been unable to locate the answer. It's been said that if you're banned from a back catalogue game (DoD, CS, etc.), that you're still able to play HL2 games on secure servers? Is

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah Mike, thats true. If you got banned from a back catalogue game, you're still able to play HL2/CS:S/DoD:S etc.pp and imho it's okay. regards -r99t Mike Miller wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well, I've searched through the steampowered forums, and have been

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread sirtom__
For me it isn't ok. Some DoD:S buyers received the backcatalogue as an addon due to some problems in the beginning of the DoD:S distribution time... I don't wanna know how many of them would like to annoy some Counter-Strikers ;) Persons/accounts has to be banned, not the value of a game...

RE: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Simon Lange
FULL ACK if a customer would break the law, with me and the other customers as victims, i wouldnt even allow him to visit any of my objects anymore. also id like to have that all cheaters that are recognized shall not only be banned for one easy year. their accounts shall be banned permanent, for

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread kama
You cannot ban a person.. only their account... If someone buys a copy and create an account, they will be able to play with a new steamid. Valve has no time or resources to verify who have bought it in person.. And I will have a hard time to believe that they even capable of it. /Bjorn On Tue,

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Bryan
This is true but other gaming industries are doing global bans. For example if you are caught doing certain cheats in BF2 your hardware id is banned. Not only is your ban permenant in BF2, the player is globally banned in any games supported by PB. It is a start in the right direction. It at

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Gary
That is old news, and plus there are a multitude or workarounds to bypass the hardware banning. Personally, the best way to combat cheating is with technical solutions, not the PB retroactive banning system. Publicly humiliating users will only encourage them to keep doing what they originally

RE: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread JoeSoap
In that case they're loosing a customer. That doesn't make sense to do anything like that. Just ensure for all new games the same measures are put in place to detect cheats in that game and then you'll not loose out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Bryan
Well I don't agree with you. If I have learned nothing else in my many years of gaming it this, anything coded by a human can be hacked by another human. I can rest assure you that if gamer x was publicly known he would be much more careful about doing cheating especially if his name hit the

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Bryan
Not really, if the game is popular enough and enjoyable enough chances are they will go about and buy another copy but be way more careful the second time. Even if they don't they have already spent the money, the company has nothing to lose. Crazy_One JoeSoap wrote: In that case they're

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hollensbe
On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Bryan wrote: Well I don't agree with you. If I have learned nothing else in my many years of gaming it this, anything coded by a human can be hacked by another human. I can rest assure you that if gamer x was publicly known he would be much more careful about doing

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Bryan
Erik Hollensbe wrote: On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Bryan wrote: Well I don't agree with you. If I have learned nothing else in my many years of gaming it this, anything coded by a human can be hacked by another human. I can rest assure you that if gamer x was publicly known he would be much

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Gary
Putting cheaters on MSNBC isn't going to help anything, just like tossing people with drug addictions in prison. It's a waste of resources, time and money. None, as an avid gamer, server admin, clan leader and defender of our country I understand what will take to move gaming to the next

RE: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread ray
I'd suggest having the client's IP address directly link to their home address in a paid-to-view database. Maybe $10 per search. See how many cheaters there are walking around with no teeth a month later. Actions speak louder than words. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Haye
There are some interesting social issues, as well as technical issues of trust bubbling to the surface here. I'll throw an idea out, and I look forward to seeing it shredded to bits. :) What if the concept of established chains of trust, much like SSL certs are accepted, was established based on

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread Cam
* snip * Not to be impolite, but it seems to me like we're deviating from the purpose of this mailing list and the original subject. In responce to the original question; being VAC banned in source is not a ban from non-source games, and vice versa is true. Being VAC banned in a non-source game

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread John Sheu
I think that in the end, the best bet will be social pressure. Vis: pay $RAP_ARTIST some $LARGE sum of money and have them wrap about how hax is not cool, foo' and the problem should resolve itself. We should start taking up a collection now. ___ To

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread -=LE=- Doomed
Are you sure about this??? I thought being VAC2 banned is Perm, VAC was never perm, but when I join my CS1.6 server it says Perm, with the pretty VAC2 logo??? So your going to tell me if I get banned from VAC2 on my CS 1.6, I can still play source which runs VAC2? - Original Message -

Re: [hlds_linux] VAC Banning

2005-10-25 Thread -=LE=- Doomed
steambans.com Very similar to what your talking about...been going strong since it started.. There are some interesting social issues, as well as technical issues of trust bubbling to the surface here. I'll throw an idea out, and I look forward to seeing it shredded to bits. :) What