Re: [hlds_linux] C4

2009-01-18 Thread J T
Is this a blog or a national landmark? No. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: A bomb threat is usually regarded as serious business, even on the internet. Try writing in your blog that you're going to bomb some large building or national landmark tomorrow

Re: [hlds_linux] Counterstrike Source DDos Attack !!! NO JOKE !!!

2009-01-18 Thread J T
You would have to look at the packet's datagram and see what is being sent to the server to successfully filter the offensive packets correctly. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Ronny Schedel i...@ronny-schedel.dewrote: Analyze the network traffic and setup appropriate firewall rules. It's not

Re: [hlds_linux] C4

2009-01-17 Thread J T
LOL, I forgot the internet is serious business. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I too experience the annoying timeout bug. But I think this is que for Gabe to call the FBI while fixing the bug of course. ___ To

Re: [hlds_linux] Problem with Crashes / segfault

2009-01-13 Thread J T
What was the previous kernel? And did you update anything else? On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Philipp Reddigau phil...@gkserver.dewrote: Hello, we hve installed a new kernel on our rootservers yesterday. Now e have some kind of failures and i cant find anything about it: Jan 12 22:10:23

Re: [hlds_linux] hlds_linux Digest, Vol 9, Issue 199

2008-11-28 Thread J T
Nice, didn't know about atop, thanks! On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Milton Ngan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CPU numbers are for a single dedicated server. There are definite CPU spikes when the game initially

Re: [hlds_linux] hlds/srcds ipv6 support

2008-11-27 Thread J T
NAT is never a security feature. Ipv6 brings a lot of good things like performance and stability and easy configuration. Better routes and we are finally get rid of NAT. which is _NOT_ a security feature! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list

Re: [hlds_linux] -fork configuration tip (dominic)

2008-11-27 Thread J T
You should have replied to the original thread, easier for people who go through the list archives to find valuable information like this. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Dominic Baranski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was waiting for someone to actually talk about how load average works.. Thank

Re: [hlds_linux] hlds/srcds ipv6 support

2008-11-27 Thread J T
When people can't get on facebook or youtube or even redtube. Then yea, they will be forced to move over to IPv6. If you force people, it always seems to work. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Thomas Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No dice. IPV4 still cant talk effectivley (if at all) to

Re: [hlds_linux] Fork not working while single server is fine

2008-11-26 Thread J T
It's a bug, and valve has even said so on this mailing list. You should be specifying +map not -map. By default if you start a single server, the mapcycle.txt is read and whatever is first is loaded (I think). But with -fork it doesn't do this, for some reason it expects the first map to be taken

Re: [hlds_linux] -fork configuration tip

2008-11-26 Thread J T
You should also consider running vmstat 1, will give you some really good info. Make sure the system doesn't start swapping, which I highly doubt it will. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Ronny Schedel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So you have a magic box ;-) And yet it _is_ lag free and smooth...

Re: [hlds_linux] -fork configuration tip

2008-11-26 Thread J T
I stopped putting 6 servers up and instead put up 4 incase 4 versus servers are voted up. I noticed this once and the game was really laggy. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Ronny Schedel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This is true, we have some players in our community which also play L4D on

Re: [hlds_linux] (Possibly) Useful bash snippet for getting totalplayer numbers using multiple netconport consoles

2008-11-19 Thread J T
You could also do it in perl. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, without -q netcat never disconnects from the first server: -q seconds after EOF on stdin, wait the specified number of seconds and then quit. I don't know if there's some alternative easy way to

Re: [hlds_linux] Fork not working for me in L4D retail

2008-11-19 Thread J T
specify them. If you can put the option into a config file, it should use a +. If you can't then it should be specified with a -. M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J T Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:44 AM To: Half-Life

Re: [hlds_linux] Fork not working for me in L4D retail

2008-11-18 Thread J T
Specify a map. I had the same problem :D Then I specified a map and it worked on the command line. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:22 AM, x3sphere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having trouble getting the -fork command to work in the retail edition of L4D. Whenever I start a server with the -fork

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] L4D dedicated server config guide

2008-11-18 Thread J T
Mind if I copy/paste and provide the original link and your email? On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rick Payton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome, I've been saving various e-mails as they've come down, but since you took the time to compile and post it ... BOOKMARKED! mauirixxx

Re: [hlds_linux] More kernel questions

2008-11-17 Thread J T
You can't run lenny with an old kernel since you need a 2.6 kernel and during the update it would have taken the latest kernel from the apt repositories. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:26 AM, ics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also updated to lenny from etch so we could have never glibc to run L4D and

Re: [hlds_linux] Data exchange over crossed child process

2008-11-17 Thread J T
Did you also notice the server trys to kick the Tank and fails? I noticed this a bunch of times watching the log. This is the demo, I'm sure things will be different when the full game is released. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I've noticed is that

Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS Crash in debian

2008-11-17 Thread J T
You already posted to the list. Give it some time. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Emil Wennerdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I got this problem on my HLDS server Someone knows about it ? But its not all the time. The server can run a wile and then it crash and start again Dist :

Re: [hlds_linux] SDK / Server Files

2008-11-17 Thread J T
What time is the launch? West/East/Central Midnight? On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Stephan Botha [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi guys, Anyone have a ETA on the SDK and Server Files? It's just a few more hours before the game is released and I'm sure you all want to get your servers working.

Re: [hlds_linux] SDK / Server Files

2008-11-17 Thread J T
Can't wait for crossroads. :D On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:56 AM, J T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What time is the launch? West/East/Central Midnight? On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Stephan Botha [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi guys, Anyone have a ETA on the SDK and Server Files? It's just a few

Re: [hlds_linux] Somebody is dosing my server, how to prevent it?

2008-11-17 Thread J T
Do a tcpdump and see what hes doing first. Then decide how to block it. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Pawel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because this IP is from neostrada, polish Internet which has dynamic ip ;) So this haker can reconnect and will get new IP :/ On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:43

Re: [hlds_linux] Left 4 Dead server files

2008-11-16 Thread J T
Search the archives, there is a thread about this. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Nick Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just went to check if the dedicated server files were released for the full game and I see 3 things. l4d_demo l4d_full left4dead Which one is the dedicated server

Re: [hlds_linux] Left 4 Dead Demo Update Available

2008-11-16 Thread J T
Uhm. My servers when empty don't report high pings when in the server browser. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That's because people will look at the higher ping, which is a side effect of the lower FSP, in their tools / server browser and complain

Re: [hlds_linux] Left 4 Dead Demo Update Available

2008-11-16 Thread J T
it to be. The fps 10 showed up much higher pings before like i said on the list and this guy here said too. -ics J T kirjoitti: Uhm. My servers when empty don't report high pings when in the server browser. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-15 Thread J T
the SCREEN variables and launches the actual server script. If I ever want to debug the console I will launch the server script as user...I don't mess around with intercepting and closing screens. Anything that is going to happen is going to happen live on a re-execute. J T wrote

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-15 Thread J T
the SCREEN variables and launches the actual server script. If I ever want to debug the console I will launch the server script as user...I don't mess around with intercepting and closing screens. Anything that is going to happen is going to happen live on a re-execute. J T wrote

Re: [hlds_linux] The 1000fps problem

2008-11-14 Thread J T
Yea. Trap Shut. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Joseph Laws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because he wants to. If you don't want to help him then keep your trap shut. Kveri wrote: Why do you need 980+ fps on public? It's waste of resources, and no hardware can handle that. Kveri

Re: [hlds_linux] Opening ports for forked servers

2008-11-14 Thread J T
You won't be able to type anything into the console, since you're running the server forked you're just getting a display of all the child processes. The server looks to be up and running. I would put the following in your server.cfg and see if anything is outputed to the logs folder

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-14 Thread J T
I don't mind screen, since I can attach to the console if required. And I haven't had any crashing. I use to hate screen, but not that I have a good init script I don't really see why I shouldn't be using screen. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Nevermore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i am now

Re: [hlds_linux] Opening ports for forked servers

2008-11-14 Thread J T
Awesomeness. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: In the next server update, the +## syntax (or +2*##, etc) works everywhere on the command line. Currently, it only works on a couple of port arguments such as netconsoleport (the bare string subsitution of ##

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-14 Thread J T
The problem is that you have to be logged on as the user you're that you su'd into. Just su - into the server and run the script. I use the following which I grabbed from a google search and modified it. http://gibthis.com/linux-servers-support-information/14-linux-hlds-l4d-startup-script.html

Re: [hlds_linux] Opening ports for forked servers

2008-11-14 Thread J T
Yea, its awesome for people running forked servers. It will be extreme awesome when running 4 servers with -fork 12 :D On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David A. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's awesome. As an interesting side not, the ## syntax works in both -netconpassword and

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-14 Thread J T
. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM, J T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that you have to be logged on as the user you're that you su'd into. Just su - into the server and run the script. I use the following which I grabbed from a google search and modified it. http

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-14 Thread J T
There is a reason why the tty is owned by the user and with specific permissions. Changing this is basically allowing any user on the system access to the screen. If you do make these changes, there will be security implications. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Crazy Canucks [EMAIL

Re: [hlds_linux] The better way to start hlds as daemon

2008-11-14 Thread J T
PROTECTED]wrote: Just out of curiosity, if you have access to the root console, is that the same thing as having root access? Drek J T wrote: There is a reason why the tty is owned by the user and with specific permissions. Changing this is basically allowing any user on the system

Re: [hlds_linux] l4d Dedicated server notes

2008-11-13 Thread J T
Right now I don't xen gameserver's so I wouldn't be able to tell you much. Perhaps I should take the single core2duo quad core out and install ubuntu and xen and see how it works. I know xen is actually apart of the linux kernel, which I think is a bit better performance wise than ESX. If someone

Re: [hlds_linux] L4D does not support Athlon XP CPU

2008-11-13 Thread J T
What was the error message? Perhaps the upgrade of gcc and glibc weren't sucessful? Did you try a lenny install or ubuntu? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After upgrading the gcc and glibc libraries on a debian, the l4d server still did not start. I just took the

Re: [hlds_linux] Steam auth server

2008-11-13 Thread J T
So you're not getting VAC secured messages when launching your server? Have you tried launching the server without a config or any command line arguments? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Markus Viitamäki [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I still have the problem, and I have now moved the server on a

Re: [hlds_linux] Lots of ports (Is this normal?)

2008-11-13 Thread J T
That looks like output from netstat, can you do an strace? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:56 AM, David A. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. There has been much discussion about which ports L4D uses when forked, but I'm not using a forked server in my set up. It seems abnormal to have a

Re: [hlds_linux] Let us set sv_infinite_ammo 1 in server config.

2008-11-13 Thread J T
The first Resident Evil movie was awesome, and this game reminds me so much of the movie. Granted I've never played any of the Resident Evil console games. Mapping the Hive would be awesome. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I respect all the opinions in

Re: [hlds_linux] Let us set sv_infinite_ammo 1 in server config.

2008-11-13 Thread J T
Dam that looks good. Is it possible to run these maps on demo servers yet ? :D On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Stephen Micheals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with a mall bit of work you can already map for l4d, people have alreay converted over some ep1 maps and maps from other mods also.:

Re: [hlds_linux] Lots of ports (Is this normal?)

2008-11-13 Thread J T
to the master servers. Thanks, Dave J T wrote: That looks like output from netstat, can you do an strace? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:56 AM, David A. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. There has been much discussion about which ports L4D uses when forked, but I'm not using

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-13 Thread J T
:) On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 11:37 -0800, J T wrote: Debian Etch is the latest stable. The main reason why it has libc6 2.3 is because 2.3 still supports kernel 2.4, in the next release of lenny it will ship with libc6 2.7 which should correct the problem. If you have the choice

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-13 Thread J T
Well, if you're trying to load the i386 version of libc on a amd64 kernel. I think that might be the problem? Also, mutiple people are using lenny and running l4d fine. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/13 J T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you running

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-13 Thread J T
, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/14 J T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, if you're trying to load the i386 version of libc on a amd64 kernel. I think that might be the problem? Also, mutiple people are using lenny and running l4d fine. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ferenc

Re: [hlds_linux] l4d Dedicated server notes

2008-11-12 Thread J T
Why not xen? On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rick Payton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh silly me converting both my dual quad xeon 5405's w/ 8GB to ESX hosts :/ mauirixxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Green Sent:

Re: [hlds_linux] l4d Dedicated server notes

2008-11-12 Thread J T
and haven't looked back. mauirixxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J T Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] l4d Dedicated server notes Why not xen

Re: [hlds_linux] -fork configuration tip

2008-11-11 Thread J T
Yea, I just left it as files. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Flubber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In each cfg, you change the log directory it should log each in its own. 2008/11/11 J T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there anyway to log the console for each server? On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Re: [hlds_linux] The 1000fps problem

2008-11-10 Thread J T
I don't get it? Are you advertising that game-hosting.com gives better performance? I can has performance? Use sys_ticrate 1000 not 1, Kveri ? On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:47 AM, en3my [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've managed to get 970+ FPS without constant drops to 500-750 you are

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-10 Thread J T
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do find a way to make a deb, let us know, so we can use it too :) On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 11:37 -0800, J T wrote: Debian Etch is the latest stable. The main reason why it has libc6 2.3 is because 2.3 still supports kernel 2.4, in the next

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-10 Thread J T
, Kveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try gentoo, everything in testing branch (~) is pretty stable. Kveri J T wrote / napísal(a): I've had debian installed for some time and its a great distro. However it takes longer for versions of specific software to make its way into the stable branch

Re: [hlds_linux] -fork configuration tip

2008-11-10 Thread J T
Is there anyway to log the console for each server? On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Jordy van Wolferen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Is it possible the set the port number in the config file with fork? I tried it but it doesn't work. I have 4 servers, but the port numbers not always the same. On

Re: [hlds_linux] CPU usage

2008-11-08 Thread J T
Have you tried comparing the differences between -fork'ing and standalone servers? The whole idea of the -fork option was to improve preformance. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're currently running 16 servers very happily on dual quad core 3Ghz boxes (E5450s).

Re: [hlds_linux] My first dedicated server with some problems

2008-11-08 Thread J T
gettimeofday({1226103746, 799794}, NULL) = 0 17799 19:22:26 clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1226103746, 799867000}) = 0 17799 19:22:26 futex(0x8274b08, FUTEX_WAIT, 73253, {0, 49927000} unfinished ... El vie, 07-11-2008 a las 12:42 -0800, J T escribió: *strace* is a system call

Re: [hlds_linux] Server can't find steam for updating?

2008-11-08 Thread J T
Thanks. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:21 AM, flyflo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Autoupdate is broken, like in orangebox. You have to modify your srcds_run script. Find : update() { updatesingle } And replace it by : update() { cd .. updatesingle cd l4d_demo }

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Of course you can run it fine on debian if you're using lenny. The problem is that you shouldn't be using the updated lenny glibc on your etch install, thats just...well not intended. The best thing to do is to use debootstrap, Xen or wait for lenny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Patrick

Re: [hlds_linux] L4D port problem

2008-11-07 Thread J T
netstat -anp ftw? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:47 AM, David A. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was indeed a -ip instead of +ip problem. Completely my bad. Thanks, Dave Steven Hartland wrote: Works here you sure the original server was started with a +ip x.x.x.x. setting?

[hlds_linux] Server can't find steam for updating?

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Could not locate steam binary:./steam, ignoring. I'm assuming its looking in the wrong directory? It's looking inside the l4d_demo folder when it should be looking outside, if you move the steam binary into the l4d_demo server it just downloads the whole server again. Cheers, -- -

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Is there even a backport for glibc 2.7 for etch 32bit? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Jordy van Wolferen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did somebody already backport the lib32 glibc for etch AMD64? On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 08:44 -0800, J T wrote: Of course you can run it fine on debian if you're

Re: [hlds_linux] My first dedicated server with some problems

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Does it actually produce a core dump so you can analyze it with gdb? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Nevermore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tryed also ESF with esf addon, and the same problem like counter-strike El vie, 07-11-2008 a las 15:20 -0200, Nevermore escribió: Hi! I am testing my

Re: [hlds_linux] CPU usage

2008-11-07 Thread J T
If you specify -fork 5 nothing happens. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Chris Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What is the linux bug that is preventing you from running 4 servers? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saint K. Sent:

Re: [hlds_linux] CPU usage

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Ubuntu? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Saint K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was picked up last night already, but here we go; We're unable to get more then 4 servers running on a Debian Lenny install. 4 L4D servers run fine, but the 5rh crashes (both srcds_run and srcds_i486)

Re: [hlds_linux] My first dedicated server with some problems

2008-11-07 Thread J T
is the dump and how to analize it... The server is running in a virtualized enviroment, may this cause problems? El vie, 07-11-2008 a las 10:47 -0800, J T escribió: Does it actually produce a core dump so you can analyze it with gdb? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Nevermore

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server filesavailable

2008-11-07 Thread J T
Debian Etch is the latest stable. The main reason why it has libc6 2.3 is because 2.3 still supports kernel 2.4, in the next release of lenny it will ship with libc6 2.7 which should correct the problem. If you have the choice of installing a new OS, choose ubuntu, since they seem to have newer

Re: [hlds_linux] CPU usage

2008-11-07 Thread J T
I tried apt pinning, however its wanting to remove lots of things I still want. Whats your preferences file look like. Cheers. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Antoine Libert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your guys are not going to believe this but ... I'm running a l4d server on a Celeron 220 (1.3

Re: [hlds_linux] My first dedicated server with some problems

2008-11-07 Thread J T
11:32 -0800, J T escribió: Run an strace on it and log it to a file. Then wait for it to crash. You might want to also trying running it out of the vm/xen and see if it does it. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Nevermore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: debug.log says: CRASH: Fri Nov