To bring the discussion back to the topic - VAC2 seems to work fine when
it is running, still there are cheats that are obviously able to disable
VAC2 and if it is not running it cannot detect anything.
I cannot realy understand why these cheats are still working as they are
around for a long
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, grammaton782 wrote:
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hi folks
first of all, this mailing list is NOT the place 2 post about vac2,
except matters of not runing or starting (bugs) vac2 or beta developing
We should convince some programmers with (re-)writing a real anticheat.
We need a mixture of CD, HLGuard and SSClient/Server...
The people around HLGuard may add an additional client to HLGuard as an option,
which is able to scan the processes on clients... I would spend a public server
for
I am not too keen to have a pb sollution with global bans. Bans should be
to a specific game or serie. There are too many parts that can go wrong.
New game lanched and false detection and he cant play any of his games.
I think VAC2 is quite good on paper. Delayed banning is a good thing. I
dont
This have been tried over and over again and always resulting in a dead
project.
Look at PB. They started out as a free anticheat. They got greedy and
wanted to make money at their product. After PB there where quite a
number of anticheat systems trying to fill PB's place. CSGuard and CD was
This is one more reason for Valve to increase their efforts on updating VAC!
For me, anticheat is definitley a criteria for bying a multiplayer game or not
buying it.
Punkbuster is a good one, serveradmins can do a lot by themselfs, beside
screenshoting the clients they can set the values for
kama wrote:
Sooner or later a free AC will either die or they try to go commersial.
Its how programmers works. They want to get payed for the time they spend
programming. This is also the reason OpenSource projects are doomed. I
believe the OpenSource era is soon dead. Some larger projects will
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Pro-active means acting in advance. While there might be SOME pro-active
measures valve can take, by making sure there are no erors or exploits on
thier code, VAC needs to look for specific markers or files that need to
already exist, else how can
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
kama wrote:
Sooner or later a free AC will either die or they try to go commersial.
Its how programmers works. They want to get payed for the time they spend
programming. This is also the reason OpenSource projects are doomed. I
believe the
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Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Nope. Because VAC2 bans you after you leave a server or right before you
join a server. In every case, you are not connected to a server during a
ban. Its impossible to log this.
VAC1 bans can be logged, but not VAC2 bans (topic
Cheaters continue to flourish becuase the pain of cheating is not steep
enough. Until you make the pain harsh enough that cheaters think twice
before attempting to cheat they will continue to do so. I won't get on
my soap box about how we the gaming community haven't made the
cheaters/hackers
the detection of a cheat gives them positive feedback on
how well they wrote their code. In a sense instant kicks are helping the
cheaters and hackers out.
Crazy_One
aprand wrote:
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Pro-active means acting in advance. While there might be SOME
pro-active
measures
. Kicking them
instantly upon the detection of a cheat gives them
positive feedback on
how well they wrote their code. In a sense instant
kicks are helping the
cheaters and hackers out.
Crazy_One
aprand wrote:
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Pro-active means acting in advance
, February 17, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Not only that, but it will lure them and anybody who
they release their code to into a false sense of
security. They use it, and then more and more use it,
and then suddenly they all get banned. Sorta building
up a userbase
How do you know it doesnt get updates?
VAC uses delayed banning... there is no way to track who gets banned...
Keep your mouth closed and stop assuming things. VAC2 works, and
eventually, they will get banned.
On 2/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As VAC2 is the number 1
Ah thanks, now I can see everything in pink again!
Delayed banning, I know it... But what get's banned if nothing is found ^^
hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com schrieb am 16.02.06 16:19:01:
How do you know it doesnt get updates?
VAC uses delayed banning... there is no way to track who gets
indd, VAC updates are always unannounced too.
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From: Tyler Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
How do you know it doesnt get updates?
VAC uses delayed
On SRCDS servers people get banned. Look at the:
http://www.hlstatsx.com/vacbans
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To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Ah thanks, now I can see everything
VAC2
indd, VAC updates are always unannounced too.
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From: Tyler Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
How do you know it doesnt get updates?
VAC uses delayed
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
I would love to see announcments :). Then you can make them public and add
some lines in red like: DIE CHEATERS! :-)
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From: Saint K
: Administracija [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
I would love to see announcments :). Then you can make them public and
add
some lines in red like: DIE CHEATERS! :-)
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From
: Administracija [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
I would love to see announcments :). Then you can make them public and add
some lines in red like: DIE CHEATERS! :-)
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From
: RE: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
The cheaters will always be ahead of any anti-cheat system. The anti cheat
system is a reactive system, NOT a proactive system.
There will always be cheaters, it is up to valve to plug the holes, and it
is up to the people who write the cheats to find new holes
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Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
This is a fake list, it is impossible to log VAC2 bans.
Regards
Ronny
On SRCDS servers people get banned. Look at the:
http://www.hlstatsx.com/vacbans
- Original Message
. Februar 2006 22:52
An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
This is a fake list, it is impossible to log VAC2 bans.
Regards
Ronny
On SRCDS servers people get banned. Look at the:
http://www.hlstatsx.com/vacbans
- Original Message
Administracija wrote:
Why isn't that posible? VAC logs something inside logs. So if you have at
least 100 servers, you can start doing a list.
What is the point of this discussion? Who cares if you have a log of
banned id's? I can't think of a reason to keep such a list.
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If we can have a list, so it means that VAC2 works well :). That is the
point.
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From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2
Administracija wrote:
Why isn't
Administracija wrote:
If we can have a list, so it means that VAC2 works well :). That is the
point.
Heh, no, it means you have a list.
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Maybe it isn't the right place, but at least we know, that (nearly) nothing
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