Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Robert Cragie
On 09/11/2012 7:56 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: (and that's why RPL isn't on the table at homenet) Why not? Again, the sort of networks which would use RPL (LLNs) are referred to in the charter. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https:

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread mike
On 11/9/12 3:21 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: "Michael" == Michael Thomas writes: >> An ISP that gives out a single /64 is broken. As long as we have >> a way to indicate "out of /64s" (because that could happen, even >> if you are given a /48, and have some pathology...), then

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Michael" == Michael Thomas writes: >> An ISP that gives out a single /64 is broken. As long as we have >> a way to indicate "out of /64s" (because that could happen, even >> if you are given a /48, and have some pathology...), then we are >> good. Michael> Does that a

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Teco" == Teco Boot writes: Mattia> So what happens if the "lightswitch guys" want to plug-in a Mattia> router, which they have to, as they can't bridge, but Mattia> there's only one exit router from one ISP which is managed Mattia> and gets a /64 only? SLAAC relay? I think

Re: [homenet] DHCP PD for homenets.

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 11/08/2012 07:07 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Howard, Lee wrote: I think we should aim higher do what's best in the long run, and then CPE manufacturers will adapt. Yes, these new CPEs might be USD5-10 more than current generation, initially, but as these requirements

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Andrew" == Andrew McGregor writes: Andrew> This whole thread is making me think that specifying that we Andrew> use either babel (with attention to getting it documented Andrew> properly) or one of the OSPFv4 MANET extensions, in the case Andrew> where we have only a /64 an

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Richardson
> I note that the Apple Airport Utility pops up warnings about various > errors, some of which relate to sub-optimal network configuration, > rather than misconfiguration. In particular, they warn you if you try > to use double NAT. it seems to me that we ought to ask Apple^WStuart how these wa

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: An ISP that gives out a single /64 is broken. As long as we have a way to indicate "out of /64s" (because that could happen, even if you are given a /48, and have some pathology...), then we are good. Does that apply to my Android phone too? M

Re: [homenet] OSPFv3 timers

2012-11-09 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Teco Boot wrote: > Yes, it is More Adhoc NETwork and called Homenet. You could be surprised how > well MANET protocols work in homenets. This is not my point. > > Wireless links need per neighbor link costs, a requirement for the Homenet > routing protocol: >T

Re: [homenet] OSPFv3 timers

2012-11-09 Thread Teco Boot
Yes, it is More Adhoc NETwork and called Homenet. You could be surprised how well MANET protocols work in homenets. This is not my point. Wireless links need per neighbor link costs, a requirement for the Homenet routing protocol: The inclusion of the PHY layer characteristics including ba

Re: [homenet] OSPFv3 timers

2012-11-09 Thread Acee Lindem
Home Wireless Routing != MANET Acee On Nov 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Teco Boot wrote: > So this disqualifies OSPFv3 with DR? Support for wireless is > a main reason to route in the homenet. This brings us to P2MP > or in the MANET arena. > > There is a lot of code out there gathering link metri

Re: [homenet] OSPFv3 timers

2012-11-09 Thread Teco Boot
So this disqualifies OSPFv3 with DR? Support for wireless is a main reason to route in the homenet. This brings us to P2MP or in the MANET arena. There is a lot of code out there gathering link metrics for dynamic links. MANET wg is working on a std track protocol for it, called DLEP. This is f

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Teco Boot
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 09:00 heeft Mattia Rossi het volgende geschreven: > Am 08.11.2012 20:04, schrieb Michael Richardson: >>> "Mattia" == Mattia Rossi writes: >> >> In a lot of these conversations, the "lightswitch guys" (as >> >> someone called the LLN proponents) seem to get forgotte

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Hans Liu
Sent from Hans' iPad2 On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:20 PM, "Mattia Rossi" wrote: > Am 08.11.2012 21:03, schrieb Hans Liu: >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: >>> On 8 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Ted Lemon wrote: Sure, but "log a system management error" is not something that a home >>

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Mattia Rossi
Am 08.11.2012 21:03, schrieb Hans Liu: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: On 8 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Ted Lemon wrote: Sure, but "log a system management error" is not something that a home router vendor can meaningfully implement, unless it puts a speaker in the home router and

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Mattia Rossi
Am 08.11.2012 21:40, schrieb Robert Cragie: Just to be clear - using a /64 will not necessarily break a home network with a LLN. It's just that some kludge will be needed and the least preferable IMHO for LLNs is bridging. Yes, I agree, and you can't force the LLN routers to be some high-end

Re: [homenet] regarding recursive DHCPv6-PD (and architecture document)

2012-11-09 Thread Mattia Rossi
Am 08.11.2012 20:04, schrieb Michael Richardson: "Mattia" == Mattia Rossi writes: >> In a lot of these conversations, the "lightswitch guys" (as >> someone called the LLN proponents) seem to get forgotten. Mattia> So what happens if the "lightswitch guys" want to plug-in a