[homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
L3 - route injection (got a routing protocol there already, use it) >>> >>> This sounds like it needs at least a coordination protocol between the APs? >> >> NO, just between the first-hop (homenet) routers. Should work with unchanged >> of the shelf crap-APs as long as they're attached to a h

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: The client is running a stub implementation of the routing protocol. I thought we already had decided we didn't require changes to the host? -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se ___ homenet

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> The client is running a stub implementation of the routing protocol. > I thought we already had decided we didn't require changes to the host? We don't *require* changes to the host. We propose optional host modifications that improve the user experience. The chairs will correct me if I'm wr

Re: [homenet] A poll

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 08:50:10AM -0800, Dave Taht wrote: > 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort > of problems did you encounter? Yes. How ? Through configuration ? Don't understand the question. Problems: a) IPv6 incapable clients: 2 IP printers 1 printer-ad

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 07:02:44AM +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > >NO, just between the first-hop (homenet) routers. Should work with > >unchanged > >of the shelf crap-APs as long as they're attached to a homenet router. > > Could someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work? How

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
I ran RIP on ca. 50 multi-homed clients in the early 90'th wth /32 route injection for both addresses, which effectively was also used for what we'd call mobility today. Worked very good. Trying to remember the reconvergence time after link down... I think i had tuned down the RIP hello interval.

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I think i had tuned down the RIP hello interval. Impossible. It was the Update interval that you had tuned down. > I probably would prefer not to use one of the real routing protocols, but > something lightweight. RIP is a stupid routing protocol but just to > announce aliveness of host interf

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
Of course you're right, but let me play devils advocate for a bit: I am not sure how important it is to separate fast-hello from route announcements for hosts. We may have <= 10 addresses on a host. Where would be have a problem ? processing in the receiving router ? Something as simple as RIP

[homenet] HNCPD usability issues

2015-02-21 Thread Dave Taht
retitling this because I really, really, really, would like more people using hncpd and providing feedback on that, rather than arguing over specification documents. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Markus Stenberg wrote: >> On 20.2.2015, at 22.01, Dave Taht wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I am not sure how important it is to separate fast-hello from route > announcements for hosts. We may have <= 10 addresses on a host. Where would > be have a problem ? Radio congestion due to the announcements from the routers, which in RIP would be advertising the whole network every Update int

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 08:48:29PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > (Recall that multicast is 2Mbit/s at the phy. 13ms for a full-size frame, > not counting the cost of collisions.) Ok. But we also need a way to support fast router redundancy IMHO. Cheers Toerless > > Something as simple

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> (Recall that multicast is 2Mbit/s at the phy. 13ms for a full-size frame, >> not counting the cost of collisions.) > Ok. But we also need a way to support fast router redundancy IMHO. Could you please explain what you mean? -- Juliusz ___ homenet

Re: [homenet] Roaming hosts [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

2015-02-21 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:29:17PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > >> (Recall that multicast is 2Mbit/s at the phy. 13ms for a full-size frame, > >> not counting the cost of collisions.) > > > Ok. But we also need a way to support fast router redundancy IMHO. > > Could you please explain what

Re: [homenet] HNCPD usability issues

2015-02-21 Thread Ted Lemon
Is there an hncpd howto somewhere? ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet

Re: [homenet] HNCPD usability issues

2015-02-21 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Is there an hncpd howto somewhere? > http://www.homewrt.org/doku.php?id=overview I am not sure if the howto is entirely up to date - for example I hope they switched to using the standard openwrt ip6assign instead ip6_plen in the /etc/config/ne

Re: [homenet] HNCPD usability issues

2015-02-21 Thread Dave Taht
and while I am at it, reviewing the draft shows that: " HNCP requires allocation of UDP port numbers HNCP-UDP-PORT and HNCP- DTLS-PORT, as well as an IPv6 link-local multicast address All- Homenet-Routers." have these been applied for? There is no scarcity on ipv6 multicast addresses at l

Re: [homenet] HNCPD usability issues

2015-02-21 Thread Ted Lemon
Getting an early allocation for two UDP ports is probably not going to happen. A link-local multicast address early allocation isn't out of the question, but it would be easier to just publish the document. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org

Re: [homenet] A poll

2015-02-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/20/15 8:50 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to > find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small > business) users. > > In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been > produced to try and make th