One thing I would LOVE to see in these blind tests (cryogenic) is the
removal of the financial influence. I guarantee you that if someone pays a
large amount for a repair on their horn - they'll be influenced to think
that their instrument feels different. (Otherwise they'd be embarrassed to
say
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Hi Hans,
I agree with you 100%. It's the player who makes the sound,
hits
Ah, again we find something we can agree upon. I'm preparing to go out and
do that right now!
Joyce
date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:02:05 +0200
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Hello Joyce, you should practise alpacca-wrestling to
improve your technique so
Bill Gross wrote:
Yes, but what Kopprasch etude would be ideal for him to use to
improve this technique?
Hans Pizka wrote:
Hello Joyce, you should practise alpacca-wrestling to improve your
technique so the alpacca gets the shots easier quicker.
No. 1, of course.
I read the article at the link given before.
I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused not by the freezing
but by the ultrasonic cleaning that he gives the instruments
beforehand.
Simon
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I read the article at the link given before.
I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused
with it.
Regards,
Bob Osmun
www.osmun.com
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If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you
that the
audience will forgive my leaning on equipment for help in presenting to them
the best performance I can.
Joyce Maley
Hurricane Alpacas, http://www.myalpacas.com
date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:57:34 +0200
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If all the playing depends
In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:54:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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If the difference it makes is subtle, well, this is a business of subtlety.
As for the reports of physicists (who also tell us that the material of
which a horn is made has no influence on the
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I couldn't agree with this more. A pro, or perhaps even a
good student, could play on one of those cheap import
singles and make them sound respectable
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From my own experience yhorns that have been cryo'd feel more comfortable,
more like you're in the sound instead of on top of it. Some people feel it
makes the horn feel older and takes away the new-horn
Having worked at Osmun Brass when cryogenics was first coming onto the scene
I did some research of my own at the time. Many of you have heard my
opinion on cryogenic freezing many times here... however here it is once
more.
At the time that we were considering Cryogenic freezing I contacted my
Ibuprofen is lots cheaper. -AC.
My feeling is that if someone gives me their horn, and $300.00 (or whatever
it costs) - their horn will play differently.
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There is another phenomenon that should be discussed here... That is that
the more someone pays for a 'procedure' the more they tend to believe the
claims. I say try charging $5.00 for it... and see what the results look
like then!!!
Ken
Bob says: It seems to me that, when confronted by an
I even found a site that does cryogenics on softball bats - and it
claims you can hit the ball farther!
:)
Ken
Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow
U.S. Dealer: Ricco Kühn and Dietmar Dürk
Pope Instrument Repair
80 Wenham Street
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
617-522-0532
With the changes brought on by having a horn cryogenically frozen being so
subtle, I suspect you have to be a much better horn player than I am in
order to notice any difference.
Suppose I spring to have the old Yamaha YHR-668N (or Lawson 804 or
Alexander 103, or Pattersonized Conn 8D, or
Don't forget Feng Shui within your horn case, and perhaps finding your horn's
Chi (sp?)
-William
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I don't know...
...aren't those a bit, well, subtle?
-AC.
Don't forget Feng Shui within your horn case, and perhaps finding your
horn's Chi (sp?)
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Cryogenics is a great idea. Can't live with it, can't live without it.
Sincerely,
Ted Williams.
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Oh I don't know. If you have 3 hours to kill, come hear the Boston
Ballet orchestra polish a terd called Don Quioxte, lovingly dropped
by that legendary 19th century tunemeister, Minkus. Ug.
Bob Marlatt
Boston MA
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Very good point. Regarding the very old instrument,
In a message dated 10/17/2003 9:06:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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If I'm going to pop for anything that tricky on my horn, won't I be better
off investing in something less subtle? Say, screwbell conversion? Silver
dimes or gold florins on the 1-2-3 valve levers?
A trumpet player could tell you the difference in sound if you
painted an x on his mouthpiece...but only if he actually saw the
x and paid at least $40 to have it done.
Bob Marlatt
Boston MA
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Supposedly cryogenic treatment of an instrument will reduce metal
No point in freezing a single F Bundy played in junior high school on an
old Conn No. 2 mouthpiece, eh? -AC.
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Also, the more accomplished the player, the more likely they will notice
the benefit of the cryogenic
At 9:33 AM -0400 10/14/03, Alan Cole wrote:
No point in freezing a single F Bundy played in junior high school on an
old Conn No. 2 mouthpiece, eh?
-AC.
Well, the better the instrument, the better the player can play, at any level.
Carlberg Jones
Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO
Don't get me going... ;)
Ken Pope
Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow
U.S. Dealer: Ricco Kühn and Dietmar Dürk
Pope Instrument Repair
80 Wenham Street
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
617-522-0532
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