Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-03 Thread Richard
I have tried a number of different gig bags, and my preference is the Pro-tec gig bag, which retails for around $135-140. It is well padded and has a substantial stiffener for the bell flare. Despite the feet on the bottom, they do tend to just roll over when you set them down. I've been using

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-03 Thread Steve Freides
at sweet-talking her trombone on board airliners with her. Herb Foster From: valkh...@aol.com valkh...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:14:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Thanks. I also might add that some

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-02 Thread Herbert Foster
Foster From: valkh...@aol.com valkh...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:14:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-02 Thread Herbert Foster
: [Hornlist] Dent bags On Sunday 01 February 2009 13:14:31 valkh...@aol.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-02 Thread daniel . canarutto
- Message from jer...@sublymerecords.com - I'm sure you're familiar with the principle of physics which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I'd say that the question has more to do with momentum (rather than energy) conservation. Sadly, there is no perfect

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
The only problem is hard cases are a pain in the butt and not many of them can be worn as a backpack - making carrying them quite uncomfortable for me. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
You're right, they're a pain. The easiest way is to tie a rope around the main tube of your horn and tie the other end around your waist then drag the horn along the floor behind you, it's much easier! :-) Cheers, Lawrence (whose Alex 103 survived 12 months undamaged in a gig bag then didn't.)

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
As soon as they make a hard case that's easy to carry over long walking distances and that's as light as a gig back I'll buy one. Until then it's a 'dent bag' for me. Yes I have to be more careful, but I've had to walk miles with a case before and for me it's the only way. -William

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Correction, that should be a dent bag, not dent back. But back to the point, when you have to deal with walking several miles with a case (airports come to mind) nothing beats something you can wear as a backpack. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your parents, anything, but raise enough money to buy a proper hard gig bag type case - (I use a Marcus Bonna case now). It will work out cheaper than the repairs you will almost certainly have to finance later. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Assumptions assumptions. I have a Marcus Bonna case. I'm also 27 with a very well-paying job so money is not much of an issue for me. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:57:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
PS - I was super-careful with my horn during the year it lived in a gig bag - the damage wasn't caused by me. 2009/2/1 Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@googlemail.com Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your parents, anything, but raise enough money to buy a proper hard gig bag type case - (I use

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Yes, I assumed you were younger (but 27 is still very young to a codger like me!) If money is not problem, what's your objection to a hard gig bag type case? Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Well the problem is with some gigs I choose to walk to them or have to walk a bit, or in airports you again have to walk sometimes one or two miles. I also frequently hike and sometimes its nice to be able to take the horn with you for some nice quiet practice time. Like I said, until

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Um... I said I have a Marcus Bonna :) -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Yes, I assumed you were younger (but 27 is still very young to a codger like me!) If money is not problem, what's your objection to a hard

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
I know a repairmen who made an aircraft aluminum case that you could almost drive over. The only problem was that even though it had wheels I'm not sure I would want to cart it through a rough trail or an airport. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:00:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Yes, so what's your objection to it? (Sorry, reading through my posts to you they sound very confrontational - they're not meant to - I'm just curious) Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Bill Gross
Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. I know some folks are working on some aspects. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
I don't have any objections to them. I thought others did (hence the term gig bags)? Or are we talking about another brand? I know there are soft fabric cases out there but I don't own one. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:06:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Number 2 is a great idea. By the way, I can't find the link but someone came up with a one piece zip up tuxedo that looked just like a normal tux, but was much easier to put on, clean, etc. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:09:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jeremy Cucco
[mailto:yateslawre...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:06 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Yes, so what's your objection to it? (Sorry, reading through my posts to you they sound very confrontational - they're not meant to - I'm just curious) Cheers

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread lewhorn9
Dave, If you were an unethical person, you could talk the mother into cutting the bell, and selling her a Marcus Bona flight case. LOL. That surely generate some more work for your business. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Brass Arts Unlimited Sender:

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would manage to dent their horn even if it was safe in a Sherman tank. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes:

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects the instrument, it's light and it's portable. The gig BAG is light and portable but it doesn't protect. If

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:19:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and I've still not recovered) Can I go and have a drink now? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it.

Re:[Hornlist] Dent Bags

2009-02-01 Thread Floating Horn Player
When I was at university, I invested in the old-style bags French Horn case. Lighter than a standard hard case, though much more robust than a gig bag. This is the sot of thing: http://www.sheehans.com/french-horns/brass-cases-gigbags/pcode=57371276311 (apols, no advertising intended!) The

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
Sure. If you are ever in East TN it'll be on me at the Smoky Mountain Brewery. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:26:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jeremy Cucco
...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread hornboy101
Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Wow - I see I have opened a touchy subject. How about this one, which says it splits the difference between a gig bag and a hard case, although I couldn't find the exact weight anywhere on the web page. http

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jerryold99
In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Floating Horn Player
In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. 4) Automatic engine / supplied with spare viola player to

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Martin Bender
of DC where I wished I had a Kevlar gig bag... :-O -Original Message- From: Lawrence Yates [mailto:yateslawre...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
One of the lads in a section I occasionally play for has a music stand with an attachment to hold his beer. Are you there Malc? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 jerryol...@aol.com 3) Integral beer cooler. -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post:

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Bill Gross
3:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jerry Houston
On Sunday 01 February 2009 13:14:31 valkh...@aol.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread lewhorn9
--Original Message-- From: valkh...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 3:55 PM Correction, that should be a dent bag, not dent back. But back to the point

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread lewhorn9
Sure hope that drink is a pint of stout! If so, enjoy one for me as well. In your words, Cheers! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread lewhorn9
: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 4:57 PM In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jerryold99
In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Steve Freides
http://thompsonmusic.com/store/page164.html looks nice - backstraps sounds great to me. -S- On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:55 PM, jerryol...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread John Baumgart
What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Steve Freides
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net wrote: What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? The answer to that question can be had only by watching the Super Bowl and drinking lots of beer - I'm not sure which of those two

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
2009/2/1 John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? I find Superfix valve oil works best with all types of gig bag - it sticks the valves solid and makes them unable to move no matter how hard the case is

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jeremy Cucco
] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread David Laraway
My wife bought me one of those gator lightweight cases. I sent it back. Yes it was fairly light weight. But there were two things I really didn't like about it. It was big and bulky (much bigger than the original case for my Holton H-179) and my horn was very loose inside the case, making me

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jerry Houston
On Sunday 01 February 2009 17:00:41 Jerry Houston wrote: These are what I'm talking about. My horns fit _very_ snugly, and can't move around at all. Fit and finish is excellent, and the backpack straps leave my hands free for other things - like steering my motorcycle. D'uh ... how 'bout

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Jerry Houston
On Sunday 01 February 2009 14:13:29 Jerry Houston wrote: I have Thompson Edition cases in both fixed- and cut-bell versions, and I like 'em a lot. So far, they've provided complete protection to my horns, yet they're comfortable to carry. And compared with other compact and protective

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread lewhorn9
The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: List Horn

RE: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Bill Gross
: [Hornlist] Dent bags The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu

Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags

2009-02-01 Thread Valkhorn
I know one solution was just throwing the egg out of the window with no protection because the teacher neglected to mention that he wanted the egg to stay intact. Of course everyone else assumed the egg had to survive the fall so the group who just threw the egg out got an A for paying