Re: TCP/IP disabled if BPXPRMxx holds AF_UNIX defs

Hello Chris, On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:41:46 +0200, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >BPXPRMT1 Extract > >INADDRANYPORT(61000) >INADDRANYCOUNT(4000) >MAXSOCKETS(64498) >INADDRANYPORT > >The INADDRANYPORT parameter specifies the first port number in the range of >p

Re: RRS restart and DB2

"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote: > > > "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > >>After RRS restart, DB2 restart is required as well. > >> > >>Q: is DB2 restart required ? Does any othe

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

> >>One of the most interesting points that he brought up was the > >>CPU 100 percent busy. > >>We all know that is not necessarily bad. I am not a perf cap > >>person but am reasonably comfortable with running my system(s) > >>at that . Now 20 year ago that was not the case but in all > >>reasonab

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

As for the remarks from the gentleman from Samsung, very well written and explained without apologies. He said it worked for them. Now how many CEO's have seen that are contemplating the same thing? Could part of the fear of big iron be the age of the caretakers along with the burgeoning cost o

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

" Not really. In order to get that famous 99.999% availability with a rock-solid SLA you need to run a data-sharing parallel sysplex -and- you need to leave some whitespace on each image so there is "room" to accommodate workload shifts for planned and unplanned system/application outages. " You ar

Re: IDENTIFY questions

>Yes, but what about the use of IDENTIFY by an unauthorized caller >pointing to an address in the job pack, followed by a DELETE of the >alias name. It used to be the case the IDENTIFY created a minor CDE >and DELETE removed the minor CDE. I don't know what "used to be the case", but it does not w

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

> You are wrong here. z/OS workloads usually include discretionary work > that uses any idle CPU, but can be delayed when the CPU is needed for > more productive work. Just because a system is 100% busy doesn't mean > that it cannot take on additional work. Perhaps, but I count discretionary AS wh

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

But it's PRODUCTIVE whitespace (greyspace?) not idle as on other platforms where you can't run above 60% without jeopardizing the system. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crad

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

"Veilleux, Jon L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>... > " Not really. In order to get that famous 99.999% availability with a > rock-solid SLA you need to run a data-sharing parallel sysplex -and- you > need to leave some whitespace on each image so there is "room

Re: What's a programming language

And according to this JCL is not a programming language, correct? Oh, someone asked what the L in JCL is for. I think, "language" but not programming language? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Monday, Oct

Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

There was a very interesting talk from Fred Brooks at the computer history museum's 40th anniversary of the 360. Here is my transcription of his talk about JCL (pardon any mistakes): I tell my students, OS/360 Job Control Language is the worst programming language ever designed anywhere by anyb

Re: What's a programming language

Snipped: And according to this JCL is not a programming language, correct? Well, the "L" being language is more a bit of convenient identity. It could just as easily have been JCC - Job Control Constructs, or JCS - Job Control Statements. I tend to think of a programming language as commands

Re: What's a programming language

Agreed. And doesn't that look rather strange when you consider the case of SQL, which does not meet the definition of a programming language (IMHO), and yet is embedded in various programming languages. John P Baker Software Engineer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: What's a programming language

And if you follow the link to http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-jcl-6.html you will see JCL as one of the 1015 ways to generate lyrics to a notorious song. The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish. It could in today's terms be called a portal, an access p

Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

In a recent note, Lindy Mayfield said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:35:07 +0200 > > There was a very interesting talk from Fred Brooks at the computer history > museum's 40th anniversary of the 360. > > Here is my transcription of his talk about JCL (pardon any mistakes): > > I tell my

Re: What's a programming language

In a recent note, Kirk Talman said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:04:38 -0400 > > The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish. > Yes, but one doesn't wrap fish in paper that has previously been used to line the cat box (at least I don't). Whereas IBM gives me no

Re: What's a programming language

What about REXX as an alternative? Well, there are limitations...so is JCL really all that bad? Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford & Company PH: 770 621 3256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you aim at nothing you will hit it every time. - Zig Ziglar -

Re: RRS restart and DB2

Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote: "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote: "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... After RRS restart, DB2 restart is required as well. Q: is DB2 restart required ? Doe

Compuware October 2006 Technical Spotlight Sessions

THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE LIST OWNER Hi All, please find below the October schedule for Spotlight Sessions, for all you Compuware users/customers out there. Remember, our customers are required to register for FrontLine to access these sessions, today's 10th October Spotlight (at

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

Mr Yoon: thank you for taking the time to give us this insight. IMHO, here is a key point. This was a well thought out business project. The extensive benchmarking tells me that their due diligence included all of the relevant issues. This was an expensive project to be sure. It so happens t

Re: FDRABR documentation

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Andrews) wrote: > Problem is that bookmangler isn't cross-platform, or wasn't last I > checked. Those of us with Linux on our desktops are left out. But if you have FDRABR, you presumably have a z/OS system somewhere. You can run the IB

Re: FDRABR documentation

In a message dated 10/10/2006 1:52:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: read manuals via BookServer instead of PDF. Especially when I'm at home on a dial-up connection, and don't want to download a 10-megabyte manual to look up an error message. >> There's also the

Re: What's a programming language

For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I really do like working with something that has been evolved and gotten better over the past 40 or so years. You can still easily see the history in all of it. I love the fact that they say you can run the first 360 program on toda

Re: How is the mainframe like the opera?

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:37:11 -0400, Craddock, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >.. >Neat analogy and I pretty much agree with your analysis, but have you >tried buying tickets for major sports events lately? The Met doesn't >look like such a bad deal :-) The would-be opera lover has other, less e

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

>One of the most interesting points that he brought up was the CPU 100 percent >busy. We all know that is not necessarily bad. I am not a perf cap person but >am reasonably comfortable with running my system(s) at that . Now 20 year ago >that was not the case but in all reasonably current MVS sy

Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language)

This is sort of wandering OT, but I wanted to react to something: On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 21:36 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > The other end of the spectrum is Microsoft who tries to come out with > something brand new every few years, and they don't care if nothing > works anymore. Bog knows I'm r

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

>z/OS workloads usually include discretionary work that uses any idle CPU, but >can be delayed when the CPU is needed for more productive work NOT in anyplace I worked at. If it's discretionary, it probably won't run. When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: What's a programming language

>Oh, someone asked what the L in JCL is for. I think, "language" but not >programming language? I do not see the word programming anywhere in the phrase "Job Control Language". Just because the word language is there, doesn't make it a programming one. When in doubt. PANIC!! ---

Re: How is the mainframe like the opera?

From: Patrick O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IBM needs to allow growth of interest in and familiarity with the mainframe inexpensively, but I suspect they fear "become a vendor without ever purchasing a mainframe". If that's really what IBM fears, I don't understand it. Even if every mainframe sof

Re: What's a programming language

>is JCL really all that bad? I've never considered it bad. I started in this business as a JCL jockey in production support, long before the CONTROL/M's, CA7's, UCC7's, and JCLCHEK's of the world came into play. So, I'm used to it. And, the 'new' stuff that started with ESA just makes it easier.

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 20:41 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > >NOT in anyplace I worked at. > If it's discretionary, it probably won't run. FWIW *most* batch runs discretionary here. I've got some response-time goals on a couple dozen quick-turnaround jobs, but in general I just throw jobs at WLM and l

Re: Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language)

>I'm rarely a defender of Microsoft, but I think they do a pretty good job of >carrying legacy interfaces forward. You missed the 'smiley' emoticon. Because, I'm sure you were joking! The conversion to Microsoft Office invalidated years of Macros I had written. DOS programmes, and old windows pr

Re: What's a programming language

On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I really do like working with something that has been evolved and gotten better over the past 40 or so years. You can still easily see the history in all of it. I love the fact

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:41:50 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: is needed for more productive work > >NOT in anyplace I worked at. >If it's discretionary, it probably won't run. Since you say "not in anyplace I worked at", did you set it up that way? Perhaps there was not enough discret

z/os FTP messages

Anyone tell me what FM I might find FC0702? The complete text is: FC0702 authServer: secure_socket_init failed with rc = 8 (Certificate validation error) I know some cert is invalid. But how do I find out which one, why is it invalid, and how do I make it valid? z/os.e 1.4. Thanks. N

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 07:44 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > 100% busy, by itself, has never been an issue. > The SRM/WLM combo has been designed to run your processor at that level. > It's when service degrades, is the issue. > > My point, is why is he happy at 60%? > *IX and windows don't like 'high

Re: What's a programming language

-- Ed Gould wrote: On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I really do like working with something that has been evolved and gotten better over the past 40 or so years

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

>Since you say "not in anyplace I worked at", did you set it up that way? >Perhaps there was not enough discretionary work defined. Hobson's choice. Since 1981, I have worked for financial companies, a government ministry, IGS Canada, and a wholesaler with tight margins. We set it up that way b

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:44 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: One of the most interesting points that he brought up was the CPU 100 percent busy. We all know that is not necessarily bad. I am not a perf cap person but am reasonably comfortable with running my system(s) at that . Now 20 year ago that was

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

The thing that gets me is the MIPS. You can go from a machine that has a single processor at 100 mips. To a processor that has 4 cpus at 100 mips each and they call it 400 mips. Depending on you workload type that may not buy you anything and you are still chugging along with just more mips. What I

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

>Back in the early 80s MVS 3.7, I believe (but cannot prove) the IPS and the >dispatcher were not all together good at dispatching certain tasks. I started in 1981 with SP1.0 (called SP1, then). The SRM had just been re-written. I remember the hub-bub over SRB service units and long running sta

Re: FDRABR documentation

Ah - but when we REALLY need FDR, the z/OS system is down. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation (850) 414-4209 IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 10/10/2006 01:39:48 PM: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Andrews) wrote: > > >

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

>To a processor that has 4 cpus at 100 mips each and they call it 400 mips. No, they don't. 4 CPU's at x MIPS do not give you 4X MIPS. The best you'll get is around 3.5X MIPS. If you trust what MIPS (don't) mean. When in doubt. PANIC!! -

Re: z/os FTP messages

Make sure to use verbose on the client. I think I've seen this, but CRS happens - Original Message - From: "Hal Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: z/os FTP messages Anyone tell me what FM I might fin

Re: Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language)

So you're happy. I'm happy you're happy. I'm not happy, but that is me. But I'm happy you are happy with the situation. The point I meant to make was that you keep all the software you bought for DOS or earlier versions of Windows? And they work? Or maybe you don't care that they don't wor

Re: What's a programming language

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:53:00 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>is JCL really all that bad? > >I've never considered it bad. >So, I'm used to it. I don't consider it bad either, but it's nothing to write home about. Other vendors have done considerably better. The only one I ever u

Re: How is the mainframe like the opera?

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:44:31 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So here are a bunch of vendors developing low cost software for the benefit >of mainframe customers. This leads to mainframe customers saying "hey, >mainframe software is inexpensive. I'm going to stay on this platform" or

Re: What's a programming language

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I'm confident also that a Turing machine >>could be emulated in COBOL. > >Trivially, subject to storage constraints. Why single out COBOL to mention storage constraints? COBOL does have a few KB of fixed ove

Re: What's a programming language

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2006 at 09:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I understand ISPF couples closely with Rexx; Only in the sense that ISPF facilities can be called from REXX, read REXX variables and set REXX variables. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: What's a programming language

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/10/2006 at 02:50 AM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The panel can easily parse the command into 3 separate values, but >there is no easy way for it to remove the leading spaces from in >front of the 'D'. That sounds like a case for pattern matching, but I a

Re: What's a programming language

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/10/2006 at 04:08 AM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In z/OS 1.6 and above, REXX can be included directly in ISPF panel >source. K3wl! I missed that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: What's a programming language

In a recent note, Tom Marchant said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:43 -0500 > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I'm confident also that a Turing machine > >>could be emulated in COBOL. > > > >Trivially, subject to storage co

Re: How is the mainframe like the opera?

From: Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think IBM particularly cares if there is any inexpensive software to run on MVS. I disagree. I think that's one of the reasons why IBM has developed alternatives to certain vendor products, such as File Manager as an alternative to FileAid (etc).

Re: What's a programming language

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:45 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: What's a programming language > > > On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > > > F

Re: z/os FTP messages

Hal Merritt wrote: Anyone tell me what FM I might find FC0702? The complete text is: FC0702 authServer: secure_socket_init failed with rc = 8 (Certificate validation error) I know some cert is invalid. But how do I find out which one, why is it invalid, and how do I make it valid? z/os.e 1.

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

Gentlemen, I have been reading this thread, as z-worker I am, too interested and worried about my job/future. Obviously I have been thinking: What the hell 7,000 mips the good man was talking about ? How were configurated his fabric ? It was one datacentre ? Have they 2 for DR purposes ? H

Re: What's a programming language

No. You're not imagining it at all. When MQ first came out, that was my thought from the beginning. Fred -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re

Re: What's a programming language

On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:19 PM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 P

IBM Announces IMS Version 10

Sorry, don't know how I missed this one last week. Details on the enhancements in IMS V10 here: http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS206-238/ENUS206-238.PDF - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z

Re: FDRABR documentation

Thats why you always build a stand alone FDR tape or DFDSS tape. You IPL that, and you can restore your RESCUE pack, and IPL that. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: "Tim Hare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah - but when we

Re: TCP/IP disabled if BPXPRMxx holds AF_UNIX defs

>INADDRANYPORT and INADDRANYCOUNT specify the first ephemeral port >number and the range of ports for z/OS UNIX CINET usage. The >starting port number should be set at least as high as the value >for MAXSOCKETS. I'm not the IP expert but this doesn't sound reasonable to me given the fact that