Someone wrote:
>>BTW - Wylbur had paging BEFORE MVS did.
> ITYM Orville.
I do know that Wylbur ran of a 2301 for active
file storage even before Orvyl, and that was not
on a machine with DAT. You may not want to call
it paging, but it was at least close.
-- glen
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Why would you be SOL because you are now out of service? The only time that is
a problem is if you have a new problem that no one else has had. When you are
out of service, most of the problems have already been discovered and fixed.
IBM will still search for your problem, and give you a fix.
I echo Eric's comments. Out of service just means you cannot open requests
for fixes that have not been already fixed. Any fix that has been
identified - IBM can help you find. However, if it is a new issue, then you
either pay big bucks for the fix or upgrade or "just don't do that".
IBM still
I don't disagree with your or Eric's assessment of being out of support
and the risks associated with it. It can be a valid business decision.
I once took over the system's programming department of a company that
was running EOS on the system, VTAM, CICS, and just about everything
else. Only pr
Chris,
I now better understand the scope of your question. I did not interpret it
to mean SOL for migration paths. Only SOL and out of support.
But both comments are still valid. Unless you have a definite migration
path to go to, you can run unsupported. Of if there is suddenly a pressing
bu
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> I do know that Wylbur ran of a 2301 for active
> file storage even before Orvyl, and that was not
> on a machine with DAT. You may not w
Joel C. Ewing wrote:
[...]
Yes, DVD capacity is greater than the compressed capacity of a 3490
cartridge and cheaper than a 3490 cartridge, but ...
few shops have the capability of writing or reading DVD data to or from
MVS without manual file transfer being done by someone, versus tape
availab
As you say, we did away with the concept of a Master Console in z/OS R8.
However, prior to that there were still some differences between the Master
Console and a console with Master authority. For example, the Master Console
was the place we sent messages to if we couldn't figure out where else
> <> I did not interpret it to mean SOL for migration paths.
> Only SOL and out of support. But both comments are still valid.
> Unless you have a definite migration path to go to, you can run
> unsupported. Of if there is suddenly a pressing business need to
> go to a more current version of the
In a message dated 4/1/2007 4:25:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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file storage even before Orvyl, and that was not
on a machine with DAT. You may not want to call
it paging, but it was at least close.
>>
I remember Grace Hopper said Alan Turing had paging working
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> I do know that Wylbur ran of a 2301 for active
> file storage even before Orvyl, and that was not
> on a machine with DAT. You may not w
In a recent note, R.S. said:
> Subject: Re: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
>
> Procedures can be changed. It's really no big deal. Insted of mounting
> tape (MANUAL PROCEDURE!) a DVD is inserted into a drive. It can be even
> better automated than with the tape. Imagine autorun.inf on the
In a recent note, Craddock, Chris said:
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:40:45 -0400
>
> correct, what is not said - at least not here - is that very often we
> see customers who are very back-level on OS and middleware maintenance
> and who still want to get the latest and greatest functionali
From: "Craddock, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Chris (Blaicher) is looking at the question from the ISV point of view.
While all of the comments made on both sides of the question are
correct, what is not said - at least not here - is that very often we
see customers who are very back-level on OS and
In a message dated 4/1/2007 11:44:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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>I remember Grace Hopper said Alan Turing had paging working on Burroughs
as DUZ, but wasn't popular until IBM invented it decades later...
When IBM announced its new virtual operating systems wit
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> I remember Grace Hopper said Alan Turing had paging working on
> Burroughs as DUZ, but wasn't popular until IBM invented it decades
> lat
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve) writes:
> Trust me, OBS[ACS]/WYLBUR was not APL, it was bona fide ALC using a
> "stack" architecture -- very little used R13 sav
At 17:15 -0500 on 03/31/2007, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: 3490 off
maintenance June 30 2007:
However, you do need to understand that stacking files needed for
recovery purposes on a tape already containing recovery data does
put the previous data at greater risk. Mechanical drives and
phys
We were talking primarily about full volume dump/restore.
What constitutes a reasonable default for the "changed" bit for a
restore of individual datasets may be different, and more debatable,
than what makes sense for a full volume restore. At least when
restoring a limited number of known d
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> We
I wish the press and experts would be a little more precise and stop using
the word "system." To most people, system means hardware. To the extent
there is a problem, hardware is not (usually) the problem, so it's grossly
misleading to suggest otherwise. How about, "poorly structured application
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Sipples) writes:
> Last week I met a customer that, in round numbers, has a decision
> whether to spend about $50 million to restructure their application
> cod
Welcome to the real world, R.S. I gather that the environment or
industry in which you work hasn't been doing business data processing
for enough years for entrenchment of old technology to be an issue.
Over the next 20+ years you will perhaps understand some of the issues
I've been raising af
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> Another infrastructure that essentially had a similar kind of "canned"
> environment (running under os/360) was CPS ... conversational
> programming system ... which was a product released by the Boston
> Programming Center ... that provided for "interactive" Basic and
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