Re: NetView (5.4) Web Services Gateway

2012-01-25 Thread Sebastian Welton
Thanks for that and we've had it clarified so 1.9 is currently being installed, luckily you can run different versions side by side so if we go up to NetView 6.1 then we can just switch to the latest version. It is a bit confusing as there is no real documentation (NetView that is) to state whi

MainframeZone.com - IT Management: Mainframe Linux: How to Save a Million Dollars!

2012-01-25 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management-spotlight/mainframe-linux- how-to-save-a-million-dollars1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO I

Re: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS

2012-01-25 Thread J. Cassidy
dobrze powiedziane Radoslaw! => W dniu 2012-01-25 19:32, Knutson, Sam pisze: =>> I would of course prefer that the MLC rates did not increase. IBM does =>> provide significant new feature and function every year in z/OS and =>> certainly does not raise the price every year. Many of my ISV produc

Re: COBOL execs Dummy Question

2012-01-25 Thread Gainsford, Allen
> IGYCRCTL is the executable load module that is the Resident Control phase > (main program) of the COBOL compiler. > > Now my turn...how does this information help you? Satisfaction of his curiosity? :) I too was interested to see the derivation of the name. Personally, any time I see "IGYCR

Re: COBOL Upgrade

2012-01-25 Thread Hal Merritt
The COBOL migration guide is your friend. Study it, believe it, trust it, and DO WHAT IT SAYS. One thing that just can't be stressed enough is to use one and only one version of the LE runtimes. Trying to user more than version/level be they in linklist, steplib, concantonation, etc etc etc i

Re: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS

2012-01-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-01-25 19:32, Knutson, Sam pisze: I would of course prefer that the MLC rates did not increase. IBM does provide significant new feature and function every year in z/OS and certainly does not raise the price every year. Many of my ISV products increase maintenance with every renewal an

COBOL Upgrade

2012-01-25 Thread Tom Ross
>We are (finally) looking at the possibilities of moving up on COBOL from OS/VS >with Report Writer and from  COBOL II to the new COBOL 4.2 with Report Writer.  >I would like to hear from folks who have already made that journey, especially >about any specific things that went well - or didn't. >I

COBOL execs Dummy Question

2012-01-25 Thread Tom Ross
>Apology in advance for posting a very basic or a stupid question but I am >curious to know about the COBOL compiler Programes : IGYWCL and IGYCRCTL. I >very well know that "IGY" stands for the language Prefix but Would like >know what "WCL" or "CRCTL" stands for ? I tried Google to find some Basic

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-01-25 18:44, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Tom Trainor pisze: After adding devices and two (2) LPARS to IOCDS on 2066, unable to IPL the last two(2) of ten (10) LPARS. The last two (2) are NOT necessarily LPAR numbers "9" and "A" but are the last two (2) of the ten (10) that are activated. W

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2012-01-25 10:53, Richard Pinion wrote: I want to restore data sets from a logical dump. I would like to replace the original first level qualifier with something like this NEWHLQ1.NEWHLQ2.OLDHLQ2.. I tried this RENAMEU(OLDHLQ1.**,NEWHLQ1.NEWHLQ2.**) but if overlays the first two HLQ

Re: change job classes for ones submitted via intrdr

2012-01-25 Thread Cris Hernandez #9
my apologies, Thruput Manager does those tricks, not WLM. --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Greg Shirey wrote: > From: Greg Shirey > Subject: Re: change job classes for ones submitted via intrdr > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 2:03 PM > Really?  We use SMS at my shop > to ov

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Trainor, Thomas J
Have on two (2) physical paths...chpid 26 and 27 with corresponding fiber (ESCON) cables. Eight LCUs on 2105. # of devices on ea. LCU varies from 36-157 Thank You Tom Trainor Advanced Engineering Associate ExxonMobil Research & Engineering Company Automation, Optimization & Global Support

Re: SDSF;O SYSLOG files?

2012-01-25 Thread Graham Hobbs
Thanks folks, I am sysprog, app developer, corner office, CIO and do coffee. Net result of question .. keep a couple, purge the rest. Graham - Original Message - From: "Graham Hobbs" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: SDSF;O SYS

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Trainor, Thomas J
No wng message Thank You Tom Trainor Advanced Engineering Associate ExxonMobil Research & Engineering Company Automation, Optimization & Global Support Department Automation Division Measurement & Automation Projects Section 3225 Gallows Rd.; Fairfax, VA. 22037; Room BA-0426 Phone: 703-846-39

Re: Lots of *MASTER* CPU during a big sort

2012-01-25 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/25/2012 10:08:43 AM: > I glanced at the SDSF 'DA' frame this morning and noticed one of our > applications programmers was sorting a large file - something like > 400,000 tracks. The system was otherwise lightly loaded and SDSF was > reporting 2M real s

Re: Going from mod-3 to mod9

2012-01-25 Thread Ed Finnell
RMFPP does a good job of this, if you're so inclined! In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:13:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com writes: We also need to see the I/O rate for your various volumes in your spreadsheet sample. ---

Fw: Help! When is DASD I/O time equal to Subchannel Start Count?

2012-01-25 Thread Chip Grantham
I asked IBM for some help and received this response. The record is correct and working as designed. I was looking at an older SMF manual. The current manual states that for FICON, channel utilization cannot be calculated and the connect time is set to 1 millisecond per request. Sorry to bothe

Re: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Might it be nice to have something other than the LNKLST that behaves as sort of a "global" JOBLIB?  I'm specifically referring to for batch jobs, but I imagine it would be useful for TSO as well.  In this could be specified those libraries that don't need much of what LNKLST provides (don't ask

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Richard Pinion
That's why I ended up doing. Except I used a report writer to select that data sets and then generate ALTER commands. --- barry.a.schw...@boeing.com wrote: From: "Schwarz, Barry A" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 1

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Mackenzie, Bruce
>From SC26-7298-01 (System/390 Command Reference 2105 Models E10, E20, F10, and F20) With ESCON adapters, you can have up to 32 connections, each with up to 64 | logical paths. | So you most likely have eight paths to a device, times eight LPARS... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainfr

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Patrick Falcone
Check SG24-6266-01, although FICON there are ESCON references in there...   what Joel said From: SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Tom Trainor To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: CU Resources Exceeded After adding devices and two (

Help! When is DASD I/O time equal to Subchannel Start Count?

2012-01-25 Thread Chip Grantham
Has any one looked closely at the SMF30 Subtype 4 I/O section? I am attempting to understand the current I/O problems on our system. I am focusing on SMF30 Subtype 4 records and the I/O Section. When looking at SMF30AIC and converting from 128 micro seconds to milliseconds by multipling by 128

Re: change job classes for ones submitted via intrdr

2012-01-25 Thread Walt Farrell
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:55:07 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:47:37 -0600, Walt Farrell wrote: > >>They're jobs, but they enter the system via "stcinrdr" not "intrdr". > >Are you saying that a started job is more like a job than like a >started task? If so, it surprises me. I

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Field, Alan C.
It's been a LONG time since I saw something similar to this. You've got X lpars, and Y control units. Each lpar has Z connections to a control unit. X * Y * Z has to be less than some number. You've exceeded some number. Were there any warning messages from HCD when this as set up? Alan

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
What I do in this case is restore with a rename that replaces the HLQ with one that is somewhat unique. Then, using 3.4 to list this unique HLQ, I execute a REXX against each DSN of interest. The REXX builds a new DSN by scanning the DSN, deleting the portion I don't want (usually the HLQ), an

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/25/2012 12:26 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: The error message appears on printed page 283 in http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246497.pdf and some diagnostic options are displayed. You might have something defined wrong in the FICON connectors, or cables switched. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012

Re: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <3446216946961664.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu>, on 01/25/2012 at 07:33 AM, Mark Zelden said: >STEPLIBs in logon procs are bad from a performance perspective. Not if you do as your wrote in your second paragraph. >If you must use a STEPLIB in your logon proc, you should at least >add it

Re: SDSF;O SYSLOG files?

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0325CA44BA4240A3B3FB8684A49D05C2@graham>, on 01/25/2012 at 11:24 AM, Graham Hobbs said: >May I safely purge them? Your system programmer may hate you if he needs to diagnose a problem and the history is gone. Same for the dumps. Ask the people who will be looking at them whether it is oka

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <8579683301631927.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu>, on 01/25/2012 at 07:36 AM, Mark Zelden said: >Most support ISPLLIB The easy fix for those that don't is to include a TSOLIB in the startup clist or rexx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 01/25/2012 at 01:54 PM, "Schumacher, Otto" said: >We used a product that dynamically allocates the steplib in the tso >logon proc. Why not use TSOLIB? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Trainor, Thomas J
Thxprobably not applicable here. 2105-F20. ESCON Connection. Thank You Tom Trainor Advanced Engineering Associate ExxonMobil Research & Engineering Company Automation, Optimization & Global Support Department Automation Division Measurement & Automation Projects Section 3225 Gallows Rd.; Fa

Re: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS

2012-01-25 Thread Knutson, Sam
I would of course prefer that the MLC rates did not increase. IBM does provide significant new feature and function every year in z/OS and certainly does not raise the price every year. Many of my ISV products increase maintenance with every renewal and some have not added value in as many year

Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/25/2012 10:55 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-01-25 00:58, Steve Comstock pisze: We are using the same pricing we used in 2002. :-) I have to admit I increased my prices significantly. ;-) Especially when measured in USD, because dollar is much cheaper than 10 years ago. [Well, just a tho

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:46:21 -0600, Scott Barry wrote: >Ah yes, one of those FDR/FDRDSF functions that you can't easily >duplicate/replace with any DFDSS/ADRDSSU RESTORE option. > Yep. What DFDSS support needs is someone like Frank Yaeger who adds functionality to compete with competitors (and

Re: CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread Mike Schwab
The error message appears on printed page 283 in http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246497.pdf and some diagnostic options are displayed. You might have something defined wrong in the FICON connectors, or cables switched. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:44 AM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Tom Trainor

SV: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Chase, John > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 19:04 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM

Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. > > W dniu 2012-01-25 00:58, Steve Comstock pisze: > > We are using the same pricing we used in 2002. :-) > > > I have to admit I increased my prices significantly. ;-) Especially when measured in USD, because >

CU Resources Exceeded

2012-01-25 Thread SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Tom Trainor
After adding devices and two (2) LPARS to IOCDS on 2066, unable to IPL the last two(2) of ten (10) LPARS. The last two (2) are NOT necessarily LPAR numbers "9" and "A" but are the last two (2) of the ten (10) that are activated. Within "Channel Problem Determintation" on 2066 SE the message i

SV: QUEUED() not working with ISPF (CROSS POSTED to ISPF-L)

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
FWIW, the easiest way to use the Dialog Test is to select Option 1 "Functions" and enter Your primary panel name (ISPF Primary Option Menu): Esss Dialog Test N e Menu Save Utilities Help

Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-01-25 00:58, Steve Comstock pisze: We are using the same pricing we used in 2002. :-) I have to admit I increased my prices significantly. ;-) Especially when measured in USD, because dollar is much cheaper than 10 years ago. [Well, just a thought.] [No offense intended to th

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Richard Pinion
Exactly! Richard and Vickie Pinion --- sba...@sbbworks.com wrote: From: Scott Barry To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:46:21 -0600 Ah yes, one of those FDR/FDRDSF functions that you can't easily duplicate/replace w

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:12:20 -0500 > >Unfortunately, Can't add qualifiers when masking. If only a few >datasets to restore, code the entire old DSN and NEW DSN in the RENAMEU. > >To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >Subject: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump > >I want to restore data sets

Re: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS

2012-01-25 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of J. Cassidy > > Next we will hear that today is Wednesday. Actually, it's already Thursday in some places. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sign

Re: SDSF;O SYSLOG files?

2012-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
>Hello, >Newby question please .. I have these SYSLOG's on my SDSF .. > > SDSF OUTPUT ALL CLASSES ALL FORMSLINES 291,034 LINE 1-21 (35) > > COMMAND INPUT ===>SCROLL ===> CSR > > PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Scott Barry
Ah yes, one of those FDR/FDRDSF functions that you can't easily duplicate/replace with any DFDSS/ADRDSSU RESTORE option. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:12:20 -0500, Jousma, David wrote: >Unfortunately, Can't add qualifiers when masking. If only a few >datasets to restore,

Re: SDSF;O SYSLOG files?

2012-01-25 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Graham, Those output files are used to pull together the syslog that you see in S.LOG. There's nothing in the system that automatically deletes them, but you may have a an automated command in your shop that purges them, say, after 5 days. In our shop, we purge them after three days with a JES

Re: QUEUED() not working with ISPF (CROSS POSTED to ISPF-L)

2012-01-25 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/25/2012 9:30 AM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN wrote: Readers, IBM helped identify the issue. It is a TSO problem. TSO gets 'confused' between line-mode and full screen. Before: ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'VPUT ... ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'DISPLAY .. ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'VGE

Re: QUEUED() not working with ISPF (CROSS POSTED to ISPF-L)

2012-01-25 Thread Skip Robinson
For dialog testing I use PDF Option 7.1 and specify Panel ISR@PRIM . You could narrow the scope, but this is simple. It causes every 'fetch' to reread the relevant library so that you're always current. After your testing is done, it would be prudent to exit/reenter PDF for the sake of efficien

Re: SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Pinnacle
On 1/25/2012 10:12 AM, Juergen Keller wrote: Thomas, STEPLIB from CBTTAPE works, I've tested it but its not supported/recommended. There was a discussion about DYNAMIC STEPLIB last year and Jim Mulder wrote: The only supported mechanism in MVS for adding to the module library search order wit

QUEUED() not working with ISPF (CROSS POSTED to ISPF-L)

2012-01-25 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Readers, IBM helped identify the issue. It is a TSO problem. TSO gets 'confused' between line-mode and full screen. Before: ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'VPUT ... ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'DISPLAY .. ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'VGET ... After:ADDRESS ISPEXEC 'VPUT ... AD

SDSF;O SYSLOG files?

2012-01-25 Thread Graham Hobbs
Hello, Newby question please .. I have these SYSLOG's on my SDSF .. SDSF OUTPUT ALL CLASSES ALL FORMSLINES 291,034 LINE 1-21 (35) COMMAND INPUT ===>SCROLL ===> CSR PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER=* SYSNAM

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Richard Pinion
Thanks for the reply! Richard and Vickie Pinion --- david.jou...@53.com wrote: From: "Jousma, David" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:12:20 -0500 Unfortunately, Can't add qualifiers when masking. If only a few d

Re: Lots of *MASTER* CPU during a big sort

2012-01-25 Thread David Betten
DFSORT was likely utilizing available central storage for memory object or Hiperspace sorting. Normally I have not seen that cause spikes in Master cpu utilization but perhaps there was a spike in paging that drove the Master cpu. If so, there are DFSORT installation defaults that can be set to l

Re: DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Jousma, David
Unfortunately, Can't add qualifiers when masking. If only a few datasets to restore, code the entire old DSN and NEW DSN in the RENAMEU. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris,

SV: SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
Yes, I'm aware of that. With open eyes...   Regards, Thomas Berg _ Thomas Berg   Specialist   A M   SWEDBANK > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Juergen Keller > Skickat: den 2

DF/DSS data set restore from logical dump

2012-01-25 Thread Richard Pinion
I want to restore data sets from a logical dump. I would like to replace the original first level qualifier with something like this NEWHLQ1.NEWHLQ2.OLDHLQ2.. I tried this RENAMEU(OLDHLQ1.**,NEWHLQ1.NEWHLQ2.**) but if overlays the first two HLQs of the original name. I want to overl

Re: Lots of *MASTER* CPU during a big sort

2012-01-25 Thread Chris Craddock
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:08 AM, David Andrews wrote: > But what also caught my eye was unusually large CPU consumption by the > *MASTER* address space: 60-75% continuously while his sort was > executing. He cancelled it, and *MASTER* went back to its usual docile > self. > > What is a large DFSort

Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread Itschak Mugzach
You sure? have a look at a mail titled: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS, but as you signature states, facts are your facts, but opinions are always opinions! ITschak On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > Steve Comstock writes: > >We are using the same pricing we use

Re: SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Juergen Keller
Thomas, STEPLIB from CBTTAPE works, I've tested it but its not supported/recommended. There was a discussion about DYNAMIC STEPLIB last year and Jim Mulder wrote: The only supported mechanism in MVS for adding to the module library search order within as address space is an ATTACH with a TASKL

Lots of *MASTER* CPU during a big sort

2012-01-25 Thread David Andrews
I glanced at the SDSF 'DA' frame this morning and noticed one of our applications programmers was sorting a large file - something like 400,000 tracks. The system was otherwise lightly loaded and SDSF was reporting 2M real storage frames in use by his job. But what also caught my eye was unusuall

Re: Going from mod-3 to mod9

2012-01-25 Thread Bill Fairchild
Dennis, We also need to see the I/O rate for your various volumes in your spreadsheet sample. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message

Re: The Trainer's Friend announces - no price increase

2012-01-25 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/24/2012 11:28 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Steve Comstock writes: We are using the same pricing we used in 2002. :-) We aren't, thank goodness. We slashed z/OS prices repeatedly then increased some of them this year, once, a bit, far less than we slashed them. Yes. Well, our classroom tra

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Pinnacle
On 1/25/2012 6:31 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: I see what you mean. What are 'dynamic steplib functions from outside IBM'? Some third party product? Our TSO users select the 'environment' they like to work in, i.e. DEVL/PROD, DB2ID etc. and during logon we allocate to the different ISP* ddn

Re: SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Don Poitras
Thomas Berg wrote: > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För Don > > Poitras > > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 13:11 > > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > > > In article > > > > you wrot

Re: SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Thomas Berg wrote: >In fact, we usually do *not* have //STEPLIB in our logon procs. (Partly of >performance reasons.) Good that you can avoid them. I agree about performance reasons, why allocate something if you don't use it at all in your session? >> Please tell me more about this dynamic

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:10:44 -0600, Barbara Nitz wrote: >>Our TSO users select the 'environment' they like to work in, i.e. DEVL/PROD, >>DB2ID etc. and during logon we allocate to the different ISP* ddnames the >>libraries required for that envrionment. At least 'dynamic' during logon, not >>d

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Schumacher, Otto
We used a product that dynamically allocates the steplib in the tso logon proc. This allows us to do what the ispllib does for the products that require us to use the steplib in the logon proc. We were able to go from 90 logon procs to 3. We use the ispllib where possible as well as the ispmli

Re: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:51:16 -0600, Juergen Keller wrote: >Finally ... this PDSE-library was moved to logon-procedure and removed from >LNKLST and all works fine and we have to live with all the secondary effects. >regards Juergen STEPLIBs in logon procs are bad from a performance perspective.

SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 14:22 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > In > , > on 01/25/2012 >at 11:43 AM, Thomas Berg

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 01/25/2012 at 11:43 AM, Thomas Berg said: >This happens when You must use conflicting software or software >versions. For that case, why can't you set it up from the READY prompt prior to going into ISPF? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: COBOL execs Dummy Question

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 01/25/2012 at 09:18 AM, Jake anderson said: >Subject: COBOL execs Dummy Question Are you asking about the names of cataloged procedires or about program names? >IGYWCL If that's a load module or program object idea then I don't know, although the answer is probably in the eye-catche

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <3439818781451184.wa.nitzibmgmx@bama.ua.edu>, on 01/25/2012 at 06:10 AM, Barbara Nitz said: >That only works if the ISPF application supports ISPLLIB (see the >dynamic steplib discussion). If ISPLLIB is not supported, then the >needed library must be in STEPLIB. That hasn't been true f

SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Barbara Nitz > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 13:11 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > >Our TSO users select the 'environment' they like to work in, i.

SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Elardus Engelbrecht > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 13:17 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > Thomas Berg wrote: > > >There are cases when putting ste

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Thomas Berg wrote: >There are cases when putting steplib(s) in linklist simply do not work! Please elaborate on those cases. Is it about mixing of APF and non-APF libraries? Or is it something else? >And where the alternative of putting it in the logon procedures is working >nearly as bad.

SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För Don > Poitras > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 13:11 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > In article > > you wrote: > > The original case by Juergen touch

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Our TSO users select the 'environment' they like to work in, i.e. DEVL/PROD, >DB2ID etc. and during logon we allocate to the different ISP* ddnames the >libraries required for that envrionment. At least 'dynamic' during logon, not >during the life of the session. That only works if the ISPF ap

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Don Poitras
In article you wrote: > The original case by Juergen touches the main shortcoming of IBM's > STEPLIB-stance. > There are cases when putting steplib(s) in linklist simply do not work! And > where the alternative of putting it in the logon procedures is working nearly > as bad. > I have seve

SV: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Vernooij, CP - SPLXM > Skickat: den 25 januari 2012 12:24 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE > > I see what you mean. What are 'dynamic steplib functions

Re: STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I see what you mean. What are 'dynamic steplib functions from outside IBM'? Some third party product? Our TSO users select the 'environment' they like to work in, i.e. DEVL/PROD, DB2ID etc. and during logon we allocate to the different ISP* ddnames the libraries required for that envrionment. A

STEPLIB problems - was: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Berg
The original case by Juergen touches the main shortcoming of IBM's STEPLIB-stance. There are cases when putting steplib(s) in linklist simply do not work! And where the alternative of putting it in the logon procedures is working nearly as bad. I have several times seen those cases luckily (=

Re: PDSE

2012-01-25 Thread Juergen Keller
Hello all, thank you for your updates and hints. Lets bring the discussion to an end ... The "problem" started when we began to install z/OS 1.12 and my colleagues did not want me to use dynamic steplib in the future (that was another post some month ago). So we decided to bring this load library

Re: IBM announces 6% price increase for z/OS

2012-01-25 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
There was a time before the invention of zAAPs and zIIPs. z/OS had its cost. Then came marketing and told the world "Hey, we're gonna make you save money. z/OS license cost will decrease as you move workload to zAAPs and zIIPs. Aren't we generous?". But IBM, as any other company, wants to earn mon