This made me remember a cartoon from Datamation. There are three guys in a
hallway. One says "Fred, I'd like you to meet Harry. Harry, this is Fred.
He's our hexadecimal expert". And when you looked closely you say that Fred
had eight fingers on each hand.
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:45:45
We had a daemon fail after an ipl last night. The daemon was up prior to the
ipl.
The return code was 0157 and the reason code is 5B1B0100. My manual goes from
5B11 to 5BC0. I've found the routine involved is GFUAINIT but that's about it.
IBMLINK and Google came up empty.
An ETR has
the new error code ( Google
> for 5B1B0100 ).
>
>
> Regards
> Paul
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I did that sometime after I spent time looking for 5B1B in the USS Msgs and
Codes where I couldn't find it.
Alan
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:33:51 -0700
> From: edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
> Subject: Re: Can't find HFS Reason Code
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> Ala
I wish I could be specific. During the various startups after the ipl a number
of BPXAS tasks start. For this one I got:
STC12832 0281 $HASP100 BPXASON STCINRDR
STC12832 0285 $HASP373 BPXASSTARTED
STC12832 0281 IEF403I BPXAS - STARTED - TIME=1
n't find HFS Reason Code
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> What does the ABENDAID report show?
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The PS2AFPD daemon is back. Per IBM's direction I issued a S
AOPSDTO,OPTIONS='-D XFD'. This is supposed to stop any active daemons. Next do
S AOPSTART and all stopped daemons should start. It took a bit until it showed
in SDSF but it did appear.
Alan
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:49:26 +0200
Back in 2007 there was a problem with either ECS or Catalog Autotuning or both
causing catalog corruption. My recollection is that Autotuning was the primary
culprit. I've done some searching and it looks like OA22246 is the end of the
apar list.
Is ECS safe for use again?
Have a good
I'm trying to print pdf's (and spreadsheets) on our high-speed mainframe
printers. I've downloaded the AFP Printer Driver for Windows and the Infoprint
Port Monitor that IBM provides. So far I have been unable to get these tools
to communicate with a printer. I suspect part of the problem may
PD_SOCKET
> may be required as well.> > > Len Rugen> > "In theory, there is no difference
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I'm testing the process to upload a PSP bucket of ptf's using an uploaded CSI
to only get the ptf's I need. Everything seems to be working and I've got the
bin files on the mainframe. But when I try and unpack them I run into two
problems.
1. The job is abending with 878-08. Here is the ful
We recently migrated to DB2 8.1 and are almost complete in converting all
subsystems to New Function Mode. There was an issue where a developer
terminate all DB2 utilities in one of the DB2's. This is a known documented
change in DB2 8.1 (here is a link describing it:
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There's a SHARE requirement, currently open for voting, that is requesting
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I agree that a physical book is easier to learn from. PDF's or HTML's or
Bookmanager's (especially Bookmanagers) are good for quick searching but
for a longer session I prefer to lean back and turn pages. The
information seems to stay in the brain longer. Just one mans opinion.
I think part
I'm scratching at some dead brain cells. I'm thinking there was some
utility, IBM or ISV, I had at some point that I could supply a TTR address
for some volume and print what was at that address. Does this ring a bell
with anyone?
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AMASPZAP or ADRDSSU both can print the contents of tracks.
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looking
at why that might have happened.
Our Storage group worked with Dino Software and we were able to get the
catalog fixed. We also disabled ECS
until we can get the fix installed
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appen?
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We had a catalog break a little yesterday. First symptoms w
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ABEND-AID, FCOPYOFF disables PDSMAN's fast copy. Please contribute
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I had searched the archives going back to 2004 and didn't find anything.
It occurs to me that I used DD DUMMY. Perhaps I should also have tried DD
DUMMY (two spaces instead of one).
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Will do. So far I have eleven products plus 54 DD's for the ASM2
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Contributions have dried up so I closed the list and sent to CBT. As I've
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quite manageable.
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//ABNLIGNR DD DUMMYABENDAID
Happens to me from time to time. I've developed the habit, here and in
IBMLINK, of cutting my updates and pasting it into a text document so if
the updates fails I don't have to retype everything.
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Is the glass half empty or half full? This is one of the times I like to
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are growing faster than my hair."
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I have but I didn't want to get the group all riled up again.
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I hadn't but it's a thought. Someone else responded privately (don't know
why) and said that SAS PRINT ODS can do so. We're also looking into that.
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Yep. We can use one sysres for all lpars so everything is at 1.7 at the
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MOVE +48 TO CA7-COMMAND-LENG
MOVE COMMAREA-COMMAND-JOBN TO U7DATA-DMD-JOBN
MOVE U7DATA-DMD TO CA7-COMMAND
GO TO 5000-CALL-U7SVC.
:
:
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CALL 'U7SVC' USING CA7-COMMAND-AREA.
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MOVE +48 TO CA7-COMMAND-LENG
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7's SVC directly from CICS
and when they went to 11.0 could not do this because some of the
areas used by the SVC are different for 11.0 than with past releases.
As long as you are using the U7SVC, this should not be a problem."
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Depending on the size initially allocated these files will reach 16
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We've always looked at the hold info for all ptf's needing a bypass
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Have we simply been lucky?
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Works in 1.7 also, Thanks Dave.
Does anyone else remember this appearing in the past via just printing the
dataset list on option 3.4 or am I experiencing a more senior moment than
usual?
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I would and tried it with a vendor that said they could in their doc but
the function had been removed from the website (supposed to be back
sometime). For smaller packages such as maintenance the current options
are fine but I like FROMNETWORK for products.
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not need to be defined to JES2. This should
force JES to rebuild it's proclib allocation.
Given this, dynamic proclibs is the way to go.
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Has anyone ever made these changes? I'm more scared about INTDATE; TRUNC
is more easily explained.
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ding over somebody from IBM Global Services at $$$/hour.
Ah, remember SE's?
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've had in reserve the plan to have our Endevor processes pass the
sending lpars parms to their compiles but that won't help compiles done
outside of Endevor.
More analysis to come.
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share them with the rest of the MVS
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Datatype. On lthat line the test
fails and it Iterates but to the first Do not the second.
I'm continuing to look at this but I welcome all help.
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I didn't include the area of code not used yet. There are two END's plus
other code not pasted in the original message
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That one worked! Thanks Don. My Rexpert is on vacation and I couldn't
find anything in his previous EXEC's that matched.
On to the next problem.
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Personally I think it's great. Big Blue with a smile. The new post if
better than the old one
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Any opinions on the relative merits of these books? I'm looking for
expanded explanations of functions, lots of examples, coding
recommendations, etc.
Perhaps there are other good references that Amazon doesn't carry. I'll
accept those sug
I know that Mike wrote REXX. Being an originator does not necessarily
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Please let us know if you have an answer to this one. We've been thinking
about it for a while
and have discussed with IBM to no avail.
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) and this mainly has release numbers. Assuming
this is the correct location for the information I'm looking for where
would updates go if new fixes were discovered after the manual is
published?
Just a little confused. Thanks.
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I've looked in there. These items are the various products that are
installed in the z/OS zone. Is there a subset I've overlooked?
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You're right. Perhaps this oversight was caused by the simplification of
being able to click on one link to order all fixes. You may think each
bucket doesn't need to be reviewed.
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increase in cpu utilization by changing the DATA
option?
Does this sound reasonable?
I'll be out this Friday so I won't be able to respond to subsequent
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-PAID-REINS (ACCUM-R)
17497WS-LOSS-EXP-REINS (ACCUM-R)
17498 END-PERFORM
17499 SET ACCUM-R TO 1.
We don't see why the DATA option would cvause this block to use that much
cpu,
It's still being looked at by all.
Ta.
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We are running SWA=ABOVE for all entities.
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CPU usage dropping to around 2 seconds."
This gives our applications group enough to work with to correct the
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There was a separate product for COBOL II (not surprisingly called
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ontrol from the Cobol program is returned to the Assembler program via
GOBACK.
I'm hoping for some suggestions as to why the UPDATES-SWITCH field is
being reset to N. I'm still researching and if I find anything myself
I'll let the list know.
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Exactly. Been in this section. The subprogram has no 'cancel' and there
is no LOCAL-STORAGE-SECTION. I haven't seen anything proving the INITIAL
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same between runs. Just changing invoking
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Brian (and John), I've been reading the Cobol and LE books for ILC
information. In my z/OS 1.7 LE Writing ILC Applications topic 14.3
there's "Table 61. What Occurs When Non-Language Environment-Conforming
Assembler Invokes an HLL Main". for invoking options LOAD and BALR, when
LE is up, it
This got sent to Gilbert only. Reposting for the list.
Good idea. I'll give it a try. We also created the worlds shortest Cobol
program that does something. It calls the Assembler program thereby also
creating an enclave.
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We did not notice any slowdowns after installing 1.7 in two lpars each
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Who trusts their machines will be bootable after the baggage handlers get
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accumulating. Soon enough it terminated with an 878 abend.
Bye-bye Autoupdate.
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One of our business units has a new logo that they want to use on some PSF
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mmand into smaller chunks. First thing you should do is specify a range
of couple thousand jobs at a time.
We have increased the time between issuing the $TOJQ commands and JES2 cpu
utilization has dropped but still not to where it was prior to 1.7
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Lance and Sam (for an earlier reply)
For our own purposes we have two people doing Performance Management and
two doing Capacity Planning (they all work closely together and are
overworked). We also happen to be in the midst of a general performance
study being done by a respected consultant.
We have JES2 exit 6 active on two lpars and have the approval to disable
it. This exit, among other things, does a number of svc 26 lookups. We
would like to be able to quantify how much cpu utilization is reduced by
turning off the exit. Can this be measured?
Thanks again.
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Thanks for all the responses. There were a number of interesting ideas
but I think I'll pass on them. Many would involve coding routines we
don't currently use and require changing the production lpars to get the
measurements. I'm scheduling the exit to be disabled on 6/20 so the
effort isn'
I don't use TN3270 but IBMLink has a new look today. Most of us here
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