Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Feb 2007 09:00:04 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:18:01 -0600, Graying MVS Sysprog ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Yikes. So, because of a reorg, I have a new boss that knows nothing about >>mainframes at all. Not even Unix. Just Windoze, as far as I c

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>My personal opinion is that the universities have bamboozled the business community into believing that they really train people for running data centers. In the 1970's, the University of Waterloo did, but what made the difference was the CO-OP programme. But, I don't think it's the case, anym

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-23 Thread Greg Saccomanno
>My personal opinion is that the universities have >bamboozled the business community into believing that they really >train people for running data centers. I don't know if it's the universities, did you see the SearchDataCenter.com article on best places to build a new data center. http://sea

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I went to a technical college starting around 1971 at the Milwaukee Area Technical College. I took the Business Data Processing associate degree program. They didin't teach systems programming, but they had an excellent program teaching Cobol, Assembler, RPG, database, PL/1, Utilities and JCL,

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-24 Thread Robert Fake
ry 24, 2007 12:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss I went to a technical college starting around 1971 at the Milwaukee Area Technical College. I took the Business Data Processing associate degree pr

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-24 Thread Dave Jones
For what it's worth, Houston Community College System, here in Harris County, TX, offers an IBM Enterprise Server Certificate path: http://csci.hccs.edu/public/students/programs/IBM_EnterpriseServer_Certificate06.htm DJ On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:44:45 -0500, Robert Fake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-24 Thread Bill Seubert
In the early 1980s, I got a BS in Comp Sci. at the University of MO - Columbia. The "Scientific Programming" track included IBM Assembler and PL/I as the main languages, and there were two Systems Programming classes - a 300 and a 400 (graduate) level class. I took 'em both - both required the As

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Comstock
Dave Jones wrote: For what it's worth, Houston Community College System, here in Harris County, TX, offers an IBM Enterprise Server Certificate path: http://csci.hccs.edu/public/students/programs/IBM_EnterpriseServer_Certificate06.htm Interesting. They offer a CICS programming class and an

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 02/23/2007 at 05:32 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >My only computer course in college was on an IBM 650 with a 2000 word >drum and vacuum tubes. We had a deluxe confiuration; a disk drive and two tape drives, plus some optional opcodes. >My personal opi

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-26 Thread Bruce Black
At Carnegie Mellon U (Carnegie Tech) in the 60s, Computer Science was only a graduate degree, so I took math with a computer option. They offered a systems programming course which I took in my last semester. The instructor had no idea what to do, so he just assigned a team of students to wor

Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was Re: help -- ignorant new boss

2007-02-26 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:26:23 -0500 Bruce Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>At Carnegie Mellon U (Carnegie Tech) in the 60s, Computer Science was :>only a graduate degree, so I took math with a computer option. :>They offered a systems programming course which I took in my last :>semester. The

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2007-02-26 Thread Rick Fochtman
Bruce Black wrote: At Carnegie Mellon U (Carnegie Tech) in the 60s, Computer Science was only a graduate degree, so I took math with a computer option. They offered a systems programming course which I took in my last semester. The instructor had no idea what to do, so he just assigned a te

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2007-02-26 Thread Bruce Black
Bruce, that sounds like the old XPL "system", complete with Analyzer, XCOM compiler and SKELETON, which was "fleshed in" by the prospective compiler developer. If you still have the textbook, I've got the code In my course, no textbook. He just gave us some general guidance and turned