Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED], with whom I often diisagee not
just intellectually but viscerally too, judges that nulled-out JCL defaults
should be supported; and he has found an IBM JCL-statement option that does
so.
Tastes differ, sometimes radically. In my own HLASM macro definiitions
In a recent note, john gilmore said:
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:18:55 +
and JCL support for parameter values can differ too. (Failure to understand
that the original model for the syntax of JCL was that of the HLASM macro
language is the root of much trouble.)
Alas, one who
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/10/2006
at 07:23 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
But my base complaint is with the original and persisting design of
JCL, which was created without file tailoring in mind. Yes, file
tailoring existed in those days
Not even close. Manual editing of a
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:23:16 -0300
JCL tailoring is a nightmare.
Only if you didn't create your JCL with File Tailoring in mind.
They (not I) didn't. Which is why I regularized it.
But my base complaint is with the original
Interesting concept of a place holding, do nothing JCL parameter. I
wonder if a JES exit could implement this? Just thinking out loud, so to
speak, er write.
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In a message dated 5/10/2006 8:40:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting concept of a place holding, do nothing JCL parameter. I
wonder if a JES exit could implement this? Just thinking out loud, so to
Yeah, but where you gonna find a coder these days or
On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:27 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/10/2006 8:40:31 A.M. CDT, John McKown wrote:
Interesting concept of a place holding, do nothing JCL parameter. I
wonder if a JES exit could implement this? Just thinking out loud...
Yeah, but where you
In a message dated 5/10/2006 10:34:58 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your statement is a popularly repeated myth but inaccurate. Coders CAN be
found and they will continue to exist. Corporate CIOs like to push the
myth because it gets them bigger budgets and
On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:05:40 EDT, Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 5/10/2006 10:34:58 A.M. TS in Central Daylight Time,
writes:
Your statement is a popularly repeated myth but inaccurate. Coders CAN
be found and they will continue to exist. Corporate CIOs like to push
the myth because
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snip
Rubbish. Clerks(mult-lingual) used to debug ALC
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In a message dated 5/10/2006 10:34:58 A.M. Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your statement is a popularly repeated myth but inaccurate.
Coders CAN be found and they will continue
In a message dated 5/10/2006 11:27:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
refreshed or (b) could easily be reconstituted from a similar mix (just
add water).
Last I checked, nursing home visiting hours are 6-7 five days a week. They
were ALC knowledgable by
On May 9, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/08/2006
at 10:06 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Good memory. But I believe the fullgen is still needed to this day
(to prime the CSI) at least.
No; in fact, there would be no way to do a
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In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:58:32 -0300
De gustibus non disputandem est. I find REXX easies to use for simple
Sent: Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 1:24 PM
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Was that a reference to Life Of Brian ? :-)
== Chris Mason == wrote2006-05-09 03:01:
Paul,
I trust you know how to deal with Romanes Eunt Domus :-)
Chris Mason
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On Mon, 8 May 2006 16:58:32 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/07/2006
at 10:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Having attempted this sort of tailoring variously in Rexx, POSIX
shell from a here-document, and sed, I find
: Re: rexx or other macro processor on z/os?
Was that a reference to Life Of Brian ? :-)
== Chris Mason == wrote2006-05-09 03:01:
Paul,
I trust you know how to deal with Romanes Eunt Domus :-)
Chris Mason
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From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED
In a message dated 5/9/2006 3:56:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I will never forget the Latin lesson John Cleese give in that scene.
It is hilarious.
The Graphics project at SHARE sponsored the continuous running of 'Meetings
Bloody meetings' with John
Guess the only mainframe funny to compare
was the old IBM sponsored 8mm films of
Bob Newhart on his phone explaining hollerith cards...
When Parallel Sysplex was announced, IBM produced an advertising film.
It featured a serious youngish woman who asserted that the new
capability would allow
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/08/2006
at 05:10 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
disputandUm?
Well, lower case.
I don't believe Rexx can compete with a shell script containing a
here-document containing substitutable symbols.
But if I wanted a here document then
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/08/2006
at 06:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
JCL tailoring is a nightmare.
Only if you didn't create your JCL with File Tailoring in mind.
It's easy enough to do:
CHANGE ALL 'TYPRUN=HOLD' 'TYPRUN=SCAN'
File Tailoring is not EDIT.
--
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/08/2006
at 10:06 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Good memory. But I believe the fullgen is still needed to this day
(to prime the CSI) at least.
No; in fact, there would be no way to do a fullgen before you had
primed the CSI. Where would the sysgen macros
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/07/2006
at 10:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Having attempted this sort of tailoring variously in Rexx, POSIX
shell from a here-document, and sed, I find Rexx is uniformly hardest
to use; POSIX shell is best for simple operations
De gustibus non
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/07/2006
at 07:24 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As a matter of interest, since I managed to avoid this particular
task, when was it no longer necessary to generate OS, where OS
refers to the ancestors of z/OS?
I believe that it was the advent of MVSCP that
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/07/2006
at 11:31 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Bill's reference misses a key step, namely how to get the SYSPUNCH
output submitted as a job. The typical way to do this is to make the
SYSPUNCH a DISPosition NEW and PASSed temporary data set. The next
job
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:58:32 -0300
De gustibus non disputandem est. I find REXX easies to use for simple
^^^
disputandUm?
applications, use Perl for more complicated cases and would be
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:04:42 -0300
You can run ISPF in batch, and this looks like a natural for FIle
Tailoring.
JCL tailoring is a nightmare. I was once confronted with
a library of JCL members, each of which contained
Yes, I read that too. But it didn't answer my question
because it doesn't say when the object deck is written.
My question was not as to *where* in the deck the PUNCH
output appears but *when* the deck, PUNCH output and all,
is written.
In any event, as pointed out by Bill Lalonde and Shmuel
Paul,
I trust you know how to deal with Romanes Eunt Domus :-)
Chris Mason
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Sent: Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 1:10 AM
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Shmuel,
Thanks. Some folk one can rely on.
Chris Mason
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or other macro processor on z/os?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/07/2006
at 07:24 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As a matter of interest, since I managed to avoid this particular
task, when was it no longer necessary to generate OS, where OS
refers to the ancestors of z/OS?
I
To the listeners,
This thread was discovered in a Google digest. I did not spot it in e-mails so
I can't reply correctly, that is, linking to the existing thread, nor can I
produce the usual references.
Hal,
Bill's reference misses a key step, namely how to get the SYSPUNCH output
submitted
On 7 May 2006 02:32:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mason) wrote:
To the listeners,
This thread was discovered in a Google digest. I did not spot it in e-mails so
I can't reply correctly, that is, linking to the existing thread, nor can I
produce the usual
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Subject: Submit job from SYPUNCH was (fwd) Re: rexx or other macro
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:34:14 -0300
On 7 May 2006 02:32:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mason) wrote
REXX is probably your best bet, but in the 1970s and 1980s, REXX wasn't
available on MVS and I often used the AREAD capability of ASMH (also
available in HLASM) to generate job streams. See example below (it's
been a while, correct syntax is NOT guaranteed):
MACRO
JPUNCH
.LOOP ANOP
In a recent note, Gilbert Saint-Flour said:
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:50:33 -0400
REXX is probably your best bet, but in the 1970s and 1980s, REXX wasn't
available on MVS and I often used the AREAD capability of ASMH (also
available in HLASM) to generate job streams. See example
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From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: rexx or other macro processor on z/os?
In a recent note, Gilbert Saint-Flour said:
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:50:33 -0400
REXX
In a recent note, Chris Mason said:
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:24:11 +0200
You are clearly rather new to this game - and you can be very, very thankful
many macros and submitted an assembler compile. You then took the cards
out of the card punch stacker, took a couple of steps round
Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Was this, then, even before passed data sets existed? There was no
other way to pass data from one job step to another? (Did jobs
even have multiple steps?)
but, agreeable as it is to describe the privations of our salad days, things
were never
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Sent: Sunday, 07 May, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: rexx or other macro processor on z/os?
In a recent note, Chris Mason said:
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:24:11 +0200
You are clearly rather new to this game - and you can be very, very
thankful
many macros and submitted
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