Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 26, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:32 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: Sigh... This was BEFORE that option was available. Please just remember it JUST WASN"T ICKDSF it was a host of other "no-no" programs that were in sys1.linklib. It was amaspzap and others.

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Anthony Saul Babonas
No. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:32 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: > >Sigh... This was BEFOR

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:32 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: > >Sigh... This was BEFORE that option was available. Please just >remember it JUST WASN"T ICKDSF it was a host of other "no-no" >programs that were in sys1.linklib. It was amaspzap and others. > This has been discussed many times on this list. T

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
t was a host of other "no-no" programs that were in sys1.linklib. It was amaspzap and others. Ed -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: 25 July 2007 19:00 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure c

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Mark H. Young
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:17:55 -0500, Anthony Saul Babonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >ummm, so what if someone copies it into their own clist lib, modifies the id >check code, then runs it? > >Been there..had to be there actually. we had an oldie where the >original developer went off to othe

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-26 Thread Phil Kingston
@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 25, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Phil Kingston wrote: > Then should you not protect ICKDSF itself? How... at the time there was no security bult into ICKDSF. > > If your authorised to run it in batch, then why not through TSO. They weren't authorize

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 25, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Mark H. Young wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:40:09 -0400, Carroll, William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any way to secure certain clist from unauthorized use? For example if I don't want applications to get into the wlm, Application, how would I do it? If it

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Anthony Saul Babonas
keep honest people out. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark H. Young Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:40:09 -0400, Carroll, William <[EM

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Mark H. Young
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:40:09 -0400, Carroll, William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is there any way to secure certain clist from unauthorized use? >For example if I don't want applications to get into the wlm, >Application, how would I do it? If it can be done. >Thanks In Advance. > > > > >Bill Ca

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Ed Gould
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 25, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: But what was purpose of this? Was there a security exposure identified? If so, what was it? Or was it a case of "well, it's always been done this way." Wayne Driscoll Produc

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Ed Gould
21 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 25, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: But what was purpose of this? Was there a security exposure identified? If so, what was it? Or was it a case of "well, it's always been done this way." Wayne Driscoll Product De

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Phil Kingston
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: 25 July 2007 18:21 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 25, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: > But what was purpose of this? Was there a security exposure > identified? > If so, what was it? Or was

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Anthony Saul Babonas
DASDVOL profiles can help here.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 25, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 25, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: But what was purpose of this? Was there a security exposure identified? If so, what was it? Or was it a case of "well, it's always been done this way." Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my ow

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:51:11 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: >On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:39:03 -0400, Lizette Koehler >>Under RACF I have placed a CLIST in a secured data set and had RACF set to >>EXEC rather than READ on the data set. >>Seemed to work and it did not impact the usage of the CLIST. > >I can

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Rick Fochtman
I can believe that would work for a data set in SYSPROC, but I believe it would not work for SYSEXEC. It still has the problem that Binyamin noted, though. You really need to protect access to the data or functions the CLIST performs, as otherwise the u

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:39:03 -0400, Lizette Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Under RACF I have placed a CLIST in a secured data set and had RACF set to >EXEC rather than READ on the data set. > >Seemed to work and it did not impact the usage of the CLIST. I can believe that would work for a da

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Wayne Driscoll
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 24, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: > All programs in the linklist are accessible directly, what is the &

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
Under RACF I have placed a CLIST in a secured data set and had RACF set to EXEC rather than READ on the data set. Seemed to work and it did not impact the usage of the CLIST. Lizette > > Unfortunately, read only access doesn't prevent someone > from copying the CLIST and removing any userid che

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread J R
M Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Secure clist Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:10:56 +0100 Bill, An easy way Could you not place the CLIST in a read only dataset, and check the userid within the CLIST against a pre-defined table defined within the code? Or a more i

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:10:56 +0100 Phil Kingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>An easy way Could you not place the CLIST in a read only dataset, :>and check the userid within the CLIST against a pre-defined table :>defined within the code? :>Or a more involved way... you could write a quick as

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-25 Thread Phil Kingston
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William Sent: 24 July 2007 13:40 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Secure clist Is there any way to secure certain clist from unauthorized use? For example if I don't want applicatio

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 24, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: All programs in the linklist are accessible directly, what is the possible value of protecting (from read, update protection is mandatory) a linklist dataset? I mean if I can execute tso iefbr14, what is the drawback of me executing tso cal

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Wayne Driscoll
DU Subject: Re: Secure clist On Jul 24, 2007, at 7:44 AM, McKown, John wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:40 AM >> To: IBM-M

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 24, 2007, at 7:44 AM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Secure clist Is there any way to secure certain clist

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:35:43 -0500, Kelman, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm not sure how you would secure a specific CLIST and a couple of >people have responded with suggestions. However, if it is access to WLM >you want to secure you can do that in RACF via the use of the facility >class MV

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Kelman, Tom
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Secure clist Is there any way to secure certain clist from unauthorized use? For example if I don't want applications to get into the wlm,

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:44:28 -0500, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:40 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carroll, William > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Secure clist > > > Is there any way to secure certain clist f

Secure clist

2007-07-24 Thread Carroll, William
Is there any way to secure certain clist from unauthorized use? For example if I don't want applications to get into the wlm, Application, how would I do it? If it can be done. Thanks In Advance. Bill Carroll EMAIL DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this message may be privileged or c