Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Thomas Conley
Take a look at this job posting. $35/hr for PLX programmers (for the I/O subsystem, no less!). You gotta be kidding me. XXX is in need of a PLX Programmer for one of our top clients in Poughkeepsie, NY. Skills required: PLX Programming skills (Very important as that is what the code is writ

Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Phil Payne
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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Thomas Conley wrote: Take a look at this job posting. $35/hr for PLX programmers (for the I/O subsystem, no less!). You gotta be kidding me. [snip] Maybe it's an indication of how important IBM thinks z/OS is to its future. Another indicator, to me, that they are not serious about sustain

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Stephen M. Wiegand
At 09:51 AM 03/26/2006, you wrote: Take a look at this job posting. $35/hr for PLX programmers (for the I/O subsystem, no less!). You gotta be kidding me. Based on the description, this sounds like requiring a brain surgeon and paying them LPN wages! Anyway, what is PLX? Never heard of i

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Charles Mills
PL/I-like, is PL/X. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen M. Wiegand Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? At 09:51 AM 03/26/2006

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/26/2006 10:33:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To see some PL/X, take a look at almost any of the OS macros. Roughly half the code is familiar assembly/macro language - the other half, the code that looks unfamiliar and PL/I-like, is PL/X. >

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Mar 26, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: -- SNIP- There was big stinko at one of the SHAREs mid eighties. Chevron had written PL/S and was willing to part with it to 'broaden the base'. Think it was RAND decided this was

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:30:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: full tape the week following GUIDE. I do remember there was a fuss about IBM and the manual, but I thought the manual was on the tape, no? >> I never got my hands on one. I was doing ISPF someth

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
Jeez, (IIRC) I still remember it being PL/C. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archive

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Graeme Gibson
Originally BSL (Basic Systems Language) which morphed into PL/S (Programming Language/Systems) and finally PL/X (... /X(cross) platform?). The inline assembler ("GENERATE") capability was prone to abuse in the early days, for quite a while we saw PL/S programs that consisted of 10,000 lines of

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:33:18 -0500, Richard Tsujimoto wrote: >Jeez, (IIRC) I still remember it being PL/C. No, PL/C was Cornell University's student PL/1 compiler. (I remember it, too; Waterloo had it as one of their batch compilers, as did ISU and many other colleges and universities around the

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-26 Thread Timothy Sipples
I didn't see the original Web address for this PLX job posting. Here's one instance: http://www.net-temps.com/job/2ow6/PLX-POK/plx_programmer_ex_ibmers.html With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are: 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer. 2. Somebody would have

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Shane
> With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are: > > 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer. > 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price. > > With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are: > > 3. At that asking price, somebody pr

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread James Smith
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: 27 March 2006 19:06 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? > With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are: > > 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX progra

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Steve Comstock
Shane wrote: With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are: 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer. 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price. With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are: 3. At that asking price, somebody pro

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock > > Shane wrote: > >>With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are: > >> > >>1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer. > >>2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that aski

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
Right. Right. It was PL/S. Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 03/26/2006 11:12 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:33:18

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "James Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably paying, AT L

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No, PL/C was Cornell University's student PL/1 compiler. > (I remember it, too; Waterloo had it as one of their batch compilers, as > did ISU and many other colleges and universities around the world.) > > The PL/X genealogy included PL/S and PL/AS, but not PL/C. posting

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
Sorry, that wasn't me who said it was a PL/1 compiler. Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 03/27/2006 10:29 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Wonder why IBM code quali

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Ray Mullins
PL/X. But I'm not moving to Pok any time soon. :-) Later, Ray > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples > Sent: Sunday March 26 2006 22:20 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Wo

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Timothy Sipples
>>Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably paying, >>AT LEAST, double the money being quoted. >They're not. The latest matrix price I saw for this position was $50. That's full time though, right? If you round to 2,000 hours annually that's U.S. $100,000 plus benefits

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/26/2006 at 07:33 PM, Richard Tsujimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Jeez, (IIRC) I still remember it being PL/C. BSL, PL/S, PL/X and a few others, but not PL/C. PL/C was a Cornell student compiler. It was fast, but I had students who resorted to the "optimizing"

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Timothy Sipples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably paying,

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Ray Mullins
alf Of Timothy Sipples > Sent: Tuesday March 28 2006 00:22 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? > > >>Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably > paying, > >>AT LEAST, double the money being q

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
nframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? >take your quoted salary and add 33% to get what you really cost to a company. It's actually just over 40% in Ontario. And, that's with me paying Ontario Health Premium

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-28 Thread Hal Merritt
Tsujimoto Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering? Based on the recent cost-saving activities at GM, it was revealed that for a worker making $30/hr, the actual cost to the company (which includes pensions) is $60/hr

Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-29 Thread Timothy Sipples
>>They're not. The latest matrix price I saw for this position was $50. >Ennh, thank you for playing. The $50 goes to the pimp, who turns around >and maybe coughs up $35 to a W-2 who's paying for his own health care, etc. I guess I interpreted "matrix price" differently. Obviously $50/hou

PL/C (was: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?)

2006-03-26 Thread John P Baker
procedure and would then build a dummy "MAIN" procedure. John P Baker Software Engineer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 23:12 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wonder why