Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

We ran into the same tar problem. I run Fedora linux on my laptop and did something like: cd /media/ tar cf ~/sas92.ds01.tar ./ and ftp'ed that to z/os on the omvs side. Using pax to unpackage the archive resulted in the error. I then installed pax on my laptop and that did the trick. B

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell > > In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:56:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes: > > Maybe we should refurbish IBM 3278s instead of PC with 3270E Emulators? > > > >> > IBM pretty m

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

At 12:34 -0800 on 12/31/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install: I started out to do what you suggested but got bogged down with 40 character substrings that appeared in a node name, was repeated in a leaf name in that path, and then differed by only a few

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility? (Not that that

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limitation preventing SAS install At 14:37 -0800 on 12/29/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install: >That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes >multiple directories with more than dozens of characters per >directory name, it doe

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

In , on 12/30/2010 at 04:51 AM, Mike Schwab said: >The mainframe itself never has had a built in display FSVO builtin. I'd certainly consider an, e.g., 3066, to be builtin. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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In , on 12/30/2010 at 01:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Can't you order it from Microsoft? Order what? New local policy? >Problem: SAS doesn't know how to spell SMP/E. Or FTP; they insist on using HTTP for delivery. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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In , on 12/30/2010 at 09:44 AM, "McKown, John" said: >Ah, I "fondly" remember the 370/145's builtin console. But the one on >the 168 was really neat - it was actually a vector-based 3270 No, the 3066 wasn't remeotely similar to a 3270. The only device it[1] was compatible with was the consol

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>Yes, I only meant that it was a mix of PL/I and Fortran. Yes, I know you did. But, C was required to go multi-platform. And, arrogance still reigns! (Has since at least 1981 -- they still don't get it!) - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca --

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Yes, I only meant that it was a mix of PL/I and Fortran. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > >Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell > from the DDNAMEs. > > Yes. I'd forgotten. > Log: FT11F001 > List: FT12F001 > > But, I'd discussed this with m

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>Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell from >the DDNAMEs. Yes. I'd forgotten. Log: FT11F001 List: FT12F001 But, I'd discussed this with many SAS'rs in the early 1980's. And, PL/1 was most of the code. Had to have PLINK (and the other -- PLBASE?) in LPA, LNK, o

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Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell from the DDNAMEs. But yes, I would be more inclined to go to WPS now, even if cost wasn't a factor. Their install was never very good, and now it sounds like a major nightmare. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Ted MacNEIL

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>I could be wrong, but SAS Institute appears to be another "arrogant" vendor. >They have an excellent product with a large share of their market. >Therefore "we are the best and you need to conform to our ideas". >Probably started when their codebase went to C. I believe that your last comment is

Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:03 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install > > What

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What I want to know is who at SAS thought it this was an installation process that was anywhere near acceptable? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:31:49 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > > >In <20101228145843.14b468f...@panix3.panix.com>, on 12

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:36 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install > > On Thu, Dec

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On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:31:49 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >In <20101228145843.14b468f...@panix3.panix.com>, on 12/28/2010 > at 09:58 AM, Don Poitras said: > >>While I am fully comfortable using the newer unix facilities on z/OS >>(including X11), > >X11 itself is pretty long in the too

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >> >>The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a >>terminal while a person is entering data or reviewing status or >>output. > > Of course it has.  The mainframe h

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:56:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes: Maybe we should refurbish IBM 3278s instead of PC with 3270E Emulators? >> IBM pretty much dropped the nuggets when they tried to prop up the cash cows. We had to replace a 20Mb hard drive i

Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

In <20101228145843.14b468f...@panix3.panix.com>, on 12/28/2010 at 09:58 AM, Don Poitras said: >While I am fully comfortable using the newer unix facilities on z/OS >(including X11), X11 itself is pretty long in the tooth. The problem is not that it's new, the problem is that many companies ha

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:28:16 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: >Actually, you have to use their installation application to produce a 9GB tree which you then must transfer to OMVS. >What PC utility did you use to ftp the entire tree and preserve its structure and long path names? We don't use N

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c 2010 08:52:48 -0600 > From: m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > > > >The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a &

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MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: tar limitation preventin

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:54:08 -0500, Don Poitras wrote: >In article Gil wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote: > >> > >> >On the higher-level versions of Windows 7 (above Home Premium) you can >> >also download SUA (Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications.) This is >> >the

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a >terminal while a person is entering data or reviewing status or >output. Of course it has. The mainframe has always come with a console. Some have been display consoles

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Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On >> Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A >> Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 9:40 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install >> >> Is it a 3590 (no drive) cartridge or a 3592 (usable

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:43:18 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >>On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >>> In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori >>> a particular level of a particular version of Windows

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, Barry A > Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 9:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install > > Is it a 3590 (no drive) cartridge or a 3592 (usable) cartridge? Admittedly my > communications are filtered through my procurement group but S

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At 14:37 -0800 on 12/29/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install: That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes multiple directories with more than dozens of characters per directory name, it doesn't take long to exceed 100 chara

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:43:18 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >> In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori >> a particular level of a particular version of Windows, should >> be a prerequisite for installing any mainframe produ

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

In article you wrote: > On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote: > >In article <4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com> you wrote: > > > >> Or you could just install cygwin and get all the nice linux goodies as > >> native windows apps, including tar. > > > >On the higher-level versions of Wind

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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori > a particular level of a particular version of Windows, should > be a prerequisite for installing any mainframe product. > > -- gil Maybe we should refurbish IBM 3278s instead

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote: >In article <4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com> you wrote: > >> Or you could just install cygwin and get all the nice linux goodies as >> native windows apps, including tar. > >On the higher-level versions of Windows 7 (above Home Premium) you can >a

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

In article <4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com> you wrote: > On 30/12/2010 8:02 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > > > > You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility? (Not > > that that would be meaningful to me.) When you list the directory > > of that tarball, are the pathnames truncated or intact?

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On 30/12/2010 8:02 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility? (Not that that would be meaningful to me.) When you list the directory of that tarball, are the pathnames truncated or intact? If intact, the problem is on the z/OS side (or a compatibility pro

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On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Tomasz Rola wrote: > > I have never tried any of those myself, so be warned. Crap. I mean, I have not tried tarfile in Python :-). Other than this, Python has been somewhat tested during many years. I wonder if it could run on Z/OS, however. There is a port, but it's a bit

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:37:56 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: >That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes multiple >directories with more than dozens of characters per directory name, it doesn't >take long to exceed 100 characters. > >-Original Message- >From: IBM M

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:16:10 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>If I read it correctly, the tar is as-distributed on the DVD, so if that was >>not >>built properly to begin with, windoze is the only drop for the "untar". > >I read it otherwise. From the OP: > >On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50:47 -08

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: > If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by > using tar to prepare the "depot" for ftp to the mainframe, would you > please tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 > characters in a path name. I ha

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I tried with pax also and received the exact same error messages. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS

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Gillis Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install While I managed to install SAS 9.2 on z/OS, I failed dismally with the DVD and eventually had SAS ship a 3590 cart. Then the install was easy. Still have the "depot&q

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ehalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:50:58 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >Would it help to create a symbolic link to the file with a shorter path name? > Errr...

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10:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install Is the package delivered as a *.zip? If so, could it be transmitted as a BLOb to z/OS and unpacked with the "jar" command? If not, SAS has missed another o

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m SAS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Arthur Gutowski Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install If I read it correctly, the tar is as-distributed o

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onday, December 27, 2010 5:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install The vendor's leaving processing to the customer on an unspecified platform using uncontrolled utilities is rife with hazards. At best, it introduces undocumented prerequisites.

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eers, Paul Gillis > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A > Sent: Monday, 27 December 2010 12:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: tar limitation preventing SAS install > > If anyon

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In article <20101228141815.630ed8f...@panix3.panix.com> you wrote: > Happy New Year! Sorry, I couldn't pass a setup like that. I don't think there's anyone at Sas that's satisfied with the current situation regarding installation on z/OS. Naturally, I can't get into the specifics, but I think it's

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Or as we say in Finland: Onnellista uutta vuotta. Happy new year, with a bit of good fortune thrown in. -Original Message- > Two regular contributors to this forum with SAS return addresses have > been conspicuously silent on this thread. Properly; it's prudent to > eschew controv

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Happy New Year! In article you wrote: > On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:39:33 -0600, Arthur Gutowski wrote: > > > > > >If you really want to have some fun, you should try their internet delivery. > > > > > Didn't IBM solve that problem with RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. But SAS > doesn't believe in SMP/E. But I

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:39:33 -0600, Arthur Gutowski wrote: > > >If you really want to have some fun, you should try their internet delivery. > > Didn't IBM solve that problem with RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. But SAS doesn't believe in SMP/E. But I have no cause to boast. My employer won't let me use th

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:56:01, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >So why does SAS not deliver the product in a *.pax.Z archive built >on z/OS and verified to be usable on z/OS rather than leaving it >to the customers' ingenuity to manufacture one? > If you really want to have some fun, you should try the

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:50:58 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >Would it help to create a symbolic link to the file with a shorter path name? > Errr... On Windows, where the data are lodged? (But it might help to "cd" into the hierarchy and build the ".tar" from there. If that's how tar works on Wi

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preventing SAS install On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50:47 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: >If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by using tar to prepare the "depot" for ftp to the mainframe, would you please tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limi

Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50:47 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: >If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by using tar to prepare the "depot" for ftp to the mainframe, would you please tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 characters in a path nam

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:34:37 +0100, Michael Klaeschen wrote: > > ... So from my reading: you will not be able to build an extended USTAR >formatted archive file from your PC -- unless your PC version of "tar" >implements z/OS features of course > So why does SAS not deliver the product in a *.

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ma.ua.edu Kopie Thema Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install Can't say for sure, but I'd use "pax" instead of "tar". It does everything "tar" does, and more. It can process tar files. On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:50 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: > If anyone

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Can't say for sure, but I'd use "pax" instead of "tar". It does everything "tar" does, and more. It can process tar files. On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:50 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: > If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed > by using tar to prepare the "depot" for ftp

tar limitation preventing SAS install

If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by using tar to prepare the "depot" for ftp to the mainframe, would you please tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 characters in a path name. I have tried both -O and -X to no avail.