z8 ???

2006-04-24 Thread Phil Payne
SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-24 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:40:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? October, 1998 was my last time. It all depends on who your employer is, how profitable they are, their

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly

Re: Broken URLs (was: Re: z8 ???)

2006-04-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/17/2006 at 06:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is a convention followed by some MUAs and mentioned in RFC 1738 (but not defined there -- does anyone know the origin?) of using '' and '' to delimit broken URLS to be rejoined by the MUA. I was

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the MIPS or MSUs of the particular models ??? MIPS are whatever you want them to be! I wrote an article, admittedly for an IBM publication, and it was only 900 words, so I only scratched the surface. But, MIPS are:

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But what MSU/MIP value is assigned to an engine ??? It depends. The first engine is 100%. The second gives you 86% more (approx). The next around 82%. The 9th gives you ... MSUs are assigned based on the total capacity of the CEC. Not on the individual CP's. And, MSUs are not the same as they

z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Phil Payne
You might want to revisit the site. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Bob Shannon
You might want to revisit the site. Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread David Cole
PPain wrote: You might want to revisit the site. BShannon wrote: Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. Bob Shannon Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals ... [;)] Dave Cole

z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Phil Payne
Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. IBM's asshole lawyer made damn sure I wasn't even offered one. But it makes no difference to how I work - I've never used illegally obtained information. But he'd know that, wouldn't he? If he'd ever bothered

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Knutson, Sam
Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? The IBM mainframe stuff has moved here Search Engine Relationship Management Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up _http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm_ (http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm)

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread David Cole
Good story, Ed. Thanks! Dave At 4/17/2006 12:32 PM, EFinnell wrote: In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Chris Mason
. There may be a better way, of course. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, 17 April, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: z8 ??? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 4/17/2006 11:48:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The page cannot be displayed There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed. Just chop the http: thru .htm in browser window and it pops up. Been fighting

z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Phil Payne
Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? Probably getting out of it eventually. My fellow webmasters would recoil in shock if I suggested there was something more difficult to deal with than Google - but IBM's lawyers take the biscuit for

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Edward Jaffe
Phil Payne wrote: Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? There are now no other vendors interested in what IBM is going to do next with its mainframes. I haven't had a serious study question from another vendor for a year or more. As a

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Steve Comstock
Edward Jaffe wrote: Phil Payne wrote: Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? There are now no other vendors interested in what IBM is going to do next with its mainframes. I haven't had a serious study question from another vendor for a year or

Re: MIPS (was: z8 ??)

2006-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And the MIPS tables have been pissing me off for some time. Modern workloads are so complex these numbers really are pretty useless. More than. I cannot tell everything I know, but: 1. They didn't test much of the big stuff. Rather, they produced a straight line from 17+ (z/990) and 21+ (z9)

Re: MIPS (was: z8 ??)

2006-04-17 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 4/17/2006 5:37:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was bad enough when we had to manage billing table for ISV's! Now, depending on the age of the box, we now have multiple tables for IBM. No wonder mainframe cost management is giving the plaform

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:57:49 +0200, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESEARCH.FREESERVE.CO.UK wrote: You might want to revisit the site. -- Which site ??? About the z900 withdrawal letter or something about the z8 ??? -- For IBM

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:00:12 -0500, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:57:49 +0200, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESEARCH.FREESERVE.CO.UK wrote: You might want to revisit the site. -- Which site ??? About the z900 withdrawal letter or something about the z8

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
what is the MIPS or MSUs of the particular models ??? MIPS are whatever you want them to be! I wrote an article, admittedly for an IBM publication, and it was only 900 words, so I only scratched the surface. But, MIPS are: Workload Dependent Processor option dependent Micro-code patch level

Broken URLs (was: Re: z8 ???)

2006-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chris Mason said: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:54:47 +0200 In order to try and avoid this in the URLs I post, I put them on a separate line or insert them in brackets with a space either side. There may be a better way, of course. There is a convention followed by

z8 ???

2006-04-17 Thread Phil Payne
Edward Jaffe wrote: Maybe it's just you. I know you would just love that to be true for some vicarious, bizzare reason of your own that I've never been able to fathom, but it isn't. How many analysts are still active in the mainframe world? Seen Cheryl lately? According to a presentation

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
IFLs, zAAPs, etc., subject to the usual rule that the number of any type of speciality engines may not exceed the number of OS engines. That rule only applies to zAAPs and (according to the press release) zIIPs, not the other types of engines. Using a System z9-109 as an example, all of

z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Kopischke, David G.
for a new machine, does anyone out there with their finger on the pulse of IBM know anything about a possible date for a z8 size processor ??? IBM did it with the z900 and then the z990, now I'm predicting they'll follow the z9 with a z8. The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Staller, Allan
My unconfirmed source says in the next month or so... snip Any crystal balls in the audience ??? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Isaac Yassin
DITTO Isaac Yassin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z8 ??? My unconfirmed source says in the next month or so... snip Any crystal

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Hal Merritt
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kopischke, David G. Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z8 ??? Greetings again, We're in another cycle of hardware upgrades. It seems our z800 tapped out after

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Ditto, but with the caveat (rumored caveat that is) that the z8 boxes won't go as small as the z890 boxes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kopischke, David G. Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. They've just (today) announced obsolessence of the z/900 (sales - June; upgrades - October). And, the z9 is upgradable from the z/990. So, I wouldn't worry for awhile.

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Roach, Dennis
Do you have a link to the letter? Dennis Roach United Space Alliance 600 Gemini Avenue Mail Code USH-4A3L Houston, Texas 77058 Voice: (281) 282-2975 Page:(713) 736-8275 Fax: (281) 282-3583 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my

z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Phil Payne
According the unsolicited emails I have had the brazen temerity to open without the written permission of IBM's lawyers, we might expect a new system around 25 April. There have been suggestions of a single-book system with 12 PUs - 8 of them characterisable. Up to four for operating system

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread R.S.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. They've just (today) announced obsolessence of the z/900 (sales - June; upgrades - October). IMHO the announcement is quite irrelevant.

Re: z8 ???

2006-04-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IMHO the announcement is quite irrelevant. The OP was concerned about his equipment going obsolete. I was trying to point out that it's not a great concern. Also, you'll find that in North America, obsolete equipment/software is relevant. There's a different economic dynamic, in most cases.

basic z8 and z9 configurations

2005-12-28 Thread Phil Payne
As far as the z8 is concerned, you're going to have to wait until IBM announces it. Have you tried Hesh Wiener ( http://www.tech-news.com ) for pricing? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800