Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Jim Mulder
> Thanks! I'd already read the book and noted that Dynamic SSI came after > BLSR. And so the BLSR book might not have been updated. I am pretty sure that I submitted a request about 15 years ago to update the next edition of the Batch LSR manual to say that SETSSI can be used to active Batch LSR

Re: Possible to run a jobstep with a different timezone?

2012-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:47:39 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >Far easier just to have a program to invoke the application program, >as Charles original posited. In these OCO days, there are very few >shops indeed that would accept a mod (aka ZAP) to something as central >as the initiator. > Of course,

CA-JOBTrac 3.5 & z/OS 1.13

2012-09-11 Thread Clark, Kevin
Hello All, Has anyone be able to get CA-JOBTRAC 3.5 to work under z/OS 1.12 or 1.13 ? The new z/OS 1.12 IEF032I & IEF033I messages are not being handled and I'm looking for circumventions before I start the version 11 upgrade of this product. Kevin D. Clark Manager, Data Center Operations

CTC connection based zos plex guest failed with IXC402D

2012-09-11 Thread ??????
Hi lists, I established a base plex beyond VM.It consists of two zos guests connected with each other by ESCON CTC. But...one of them fails every half day...what's a poor implemention! Every time it give a message like that when it died: IXC402D XT1K LAST OPERATIVE AT 22:23:06. REPLY DOWN AFTER

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > oops, late 80s is 25yrs ago ... not 35yrs ... finger slip. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#2 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#3 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off An

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On 11 September 2012 12:54, Arthur T. wrote: > Don't forget that there are an unknown (and probably unknowable) number of > lurkers who read them via Usenet, but are not subscribers. But when was the last time anyone saw an actual Usenet/UUCP server? Sure, Google groups seems to have one, but mo

Re: Possible to run a jobstep with a different timezone?

2012-09-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On 11 September 2012 00:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:04:53 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >> >>If you know that your target program uses only the TIME macro, and >>that it's the default (SVC) form, which is commonly true of >>traditional application programs, then you could set u

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Arthur T.
On 11 Sep 2012 16:19:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<2145659BC34045CF96025A669B0B7514@graham>) gho...@cdpwise.net (Graham Hobbs) wrote: > Don't forget that there are an unknown (and probably > unknowable) number of lurkers who read them via Usenet, but > are not subscribers.

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Rebecca Richards
I guess that makes me a lurker, but Im legit, my husband is Bob Richards.  He has been posting on here for years. I was on the list years ago, but recently  rejoined after hearing Rick Fochtman died...He was a friend of ours :0( I love computers, I try and follow my husbands technical stuff :0)

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
gho...@cdpwise.net (Graham Hobbs) writes: > Does that mean there's no such thing as a even a guesstimate? > Would 'lurkers' imply nasties? ibm-main mailing list is gatewayed to usenet ... outgoing only ... doesn't accept in-coming ... so any posting originating from usenet don't show up on the mai

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Ed Finnell
Not necessarily. There are companies that forbid posting for whatever reason, but allow perusal. There are nasties that roam all lists and scarf addresses (and udids)as they can. I don't know how successful they'll be, but even MS is putting a good bit of attention to 'bot stopping' code.

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Graham Hobbs
Does that mean there's no such thing as a even a guesstimate? Would 'lurkers' imply nasties? Graham - Original Message - From: "Arthur T." Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: How many subscribers? On 11 Sep 2012 08:13:38 -070

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:19:59 -0500, Boris Lenz wrote: >There are 6785 subscribers on IBM-MAIN and 1723 on CICS-L. You can find these >numbers on the listserv website. > No dedupe and tell us. :-) -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.

Re: IMS v9 on z/os 1.13

2012-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:01:01 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:10:10 -0500, Vince Getgood wrote: > >>Hi all, >>Is anyone out there running IMS V9 on z/OS 1.13? >> >>I know IMS v9 has been out of support since 2010, but that's where we are. I >>can see from the IBM site that V1

Re: JES Property Information Services SSI (SSI 82)

2012-09-11 Thread Ravi Kumar.C.Gowda
Thanks Allan, I atleast got to know what is JES Property Information Services SSI is for, But still couldn't get much on how to analyze my installation is exploiting this service(If in case), And to make sure calls to JES Property Information Services can handle multiple users, I would be very happ

Re: JES Property Information Services SSI (SSI 82)

2012-09-11 Thread Staller, Allan
See: MVS Using the Subsystem Interface SA22-7642-11. It can be found here: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2F290/CCONTENTS?SHELF=iea2bkb4&DN=SA22-7642-11&DT=20110617222159 (watch the wrap). Appreciate any JES experts can shed some light on the above context please

JES Property Information Services SSI (SSI 82)

2012-09-11 Thread Ravi Kumar.C.Gowda
Apologies if this is appearing second time, I got a rejected message saying duplicate! Dear Group, JES Property Information Services SSI (SSI 82) Appreciate any JES experts can shed some light on the above context please and how can one make sure that we are using the Initiator information funct

JES Property Information Services SSI

2012-09-11 Thread Ravi Kumar.C.Gowda
Dear Group, JES Property Information Services SSI (SSI 82) Appreciate any JES experts can shed some light on the above context please and how can one make sure that we are using the Initiator information function of the JES Property Information Services SSI. If Yes - How to Ensure calls to JES Pr

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Arthur T.
On 11 Sep 2012 08:13:38 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<4F17DDFD095B42B5924B8F2575225F59@graham>) gho...@cdpwise.net (Graham Hobbs) wrote: Arte there any available estimates of how many subscribers there are to both this list and CICS-L? Don't forget that there are an unknown (a

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Graham Hobbs
John, Boris, Thanks very much, didn't know how easy it was! Graham - Original Message - From: "McKown, John" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:19 AM Subject: Re: How many subscribers? According to : https://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?INDEX Th

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples1) writes: > Almost everyone here would. These are mainframes, with PR/SM and LPARs > proven to Common Criteria EAL5+ certification standards. Regardless of the > operating system(s) running in particular LPARs. sometimes EAL certifications can be misleading. I w

Re: Possible to run a jobstep with a different timezone?

2012-09-11 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Charles Mills, Here is an idea. 1. Get the GMT time using LE callable service CEEGMT which returns the current Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) as both a Lilian date and as the number of seconds since 00:00:00 14 October 1582. 2. Now you want an offset of 9 hours which is 9*60*60 = 32,400 secs. so s

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Boris Lenz
There are 6785 subscribers on IBM-MAIN and 1723 on CICS-L. You can find these numbers on the listserv website. Boris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Possible to run a jobstep with a different timezone?

2012-09-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Comment embedded On 09/10/2012 07:12 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:20:46 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Ways other than STCK/STCKE for getting time involve an SVC, or calling a system service, or calling a subsystem service (CICS), where front-ending the service is an obvio

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread John P Kalinich
http://www.lsoft.com/catalist.html Graham Hobbs of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 09/11/2012 10:13:29 AM: > Arte there any available estimates of how many subscribers there are > to both this list and CICS-L? Would be appreciated.

Re: How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread McKown, John
According to : https://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?INDEX There are: IBM-MAINIBM Mainframe Discussion List (6785 Subscribers) http://listserv.uga.edu/archives/ There are: CICS-L CICS List (1,723 subscribers) -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Servic

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread McKown, John
I hadn't thought of that. Changing parameters in a PARMLIB requires a change control, just like JCL do. We need somehow to monitor when one of these types of jobs (no SIZE= equivalent in an internal SORT) is getting close to exceeding our default SORTWKnn size. Which likely means trying to use t

How many subscribers?

2012-09-11 Thread Graham Hobbs
Arte there any available estimates of how many subscribers there are to both this list and CICS-L? Would be appreciated. Thanks Graham Hobbs -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists..

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:30:19 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > Thanks. I don't know how my search missed that. So my options in the case > causing me problems (internal sort in application which does not specify a > SIZE= or FILEZS=), the only thing I can do is tell the programmer to use > SORTWKnn

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > oops, late 80s is 25yrs ago ... not 35yrs ... finger slip. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#2 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#3 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off An

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread McKown, John
Thanks. Since "the problem" only occurred on one job, I don't want to change the DFSORT defaults. I'm going to throw this back to the programmer and insist that they know how much sort-work space they need in this situation. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread McKown, John
Thanks. I don't know how my search missed that. So my options in the case causing me problems (internal sort in application which does not specify a SIZE= or FILEZS=), the only thing I can do is tell the programmer to use SORTWKnn DDs and allocate enough space (this SORT failed on a 10.5 million

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread David Betten
Becasue DFSORT uses EXCP to access the SORTWKnn data sets, it does not support extended format. When DFSORT detects extended format input and output data sets, it uses BSAM to access them but this capability is not available for SORTWKnn data sets due to the complexity of how DFSORT accesses them.

Re: DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:57:19 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > >Note the "(up to 15 extents)" on the last line. >http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ice1ct20/2.9 >Is talking about using Extended Format for superior I/O on INPUT and OUTPUT >data sets, but does not address using i

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > FICON initially just mapped on top of underlying fibre channel > ... ignoring all the i/o program batching ... finally FICON starts > with zHPF and TCW. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#2 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Un

DFSORT use EXTENDED FORMAT for SORTWKnn DDs?

2012-09-11 Thread McKown, John
I am looking at the possibility at making some changes in DFSORT and/or SMS. In particular, I am considering making the SORTWKnn DD allocations have a DATACLAS which specifies EXTENDED FORMAT. This is to allow 123 extents. The DFSORT has confused me a bit. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:55:38 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 09/10/2012 at 03:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >>On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:19:53 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>>BTW, I saw a quote from an earlier message, but not the message >>>itself, talking about reading direct

Another Mainframe Shuts Down

2012-09-11 Thread Art Gutowski
U of M Health Systems in Ann Arbor will be unplugging their mainframe. http://umhsheadlines.org/07/mainframe-to-be-decommissioned-by-the-end-of-the-year/ Regards, Art Gutowski Compuware -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arch

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/10/2012 at 11:31 AM, Clark Morris said: >Does i-o on system z take less cpu and memory resource than i-o on >Intel servers?, Probably less CPU, not less memory. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We d

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <7611388598962382.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/10/2012 at 03:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:19:53 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>BTW, I saw a quote from an earlier message, but not the message >>itself, talking about reading directory blocks

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <000801cd8f44$116df7a0$3449e6e0$@att.net>, on 09/10/2012 at 06:04 AM, "Kenneth J. Kripke" said: >Next will come the member NAME, ttr, C field, and, the number of >TTRN's. You will want to AND out the C field. Then multiply the >number of ttrn's by 2 to convert to bytes. >This will be yo

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/10/2012 at 01:03 AM, "Robert A. Rosenberg" said: >At 15:30 -0400 on 09/07/2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about >Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?: >> >Got paraphrase of "WAD". >> >>Broken as designed? >That is BAD - ie: The design is wrong but the

IARVSERV

2012-09-11 Thread David Stokes
Btw, STR1, Should be STR1,RTDM_SSDV (RTDM is a shared CB in CSA) For completeness' sake -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonaduce, Frank Sent: 09 September 2012 16:23 To: IBM-MAI

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:50:08 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: >That's a bit strange: On the one hand it fails the activate, having >accepted the add (which is what I expect from a non-enabled subsystem, >having read the manual). On the other hand usage seems to succeed anyway. >Is it possible you alrea

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: >Thanks! I'd already read the book and noted that Dynamic SSI came after BLSR. >And so the BLSR book might not have been updated. I was puzzled by the reply from Norbert Friemel about 1.11 and SETSSI. Think my v1.12 book needed to be updated too. I really wish there is a l

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Packer
That's a bit strange: On the one hand it fails the activate, having accepted the add (which is what I expect from a non-enabled subsystem, having read the manual). On the other hand usage seems to succeed anyway. Is it possible you already had BLSR up and running when the activate failed? Than

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Packer
Thanks! I'd already read the book and noted that Dynamic SSI came after BLSR. And so the BLSR book might not have been updated. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:37:11 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: > >I can't find anything that suggests BLSR is a DYNAMIC Subsystem - and I >don't think we have time for an IPL before we have to make changes. (I'm >not 100% certain we absolutely can't.) > >The narrow question is whether BLSR is a Dynamic

Re: Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: >I can't find anything that suggests BLSR is a DYNAMIC Subsystem - and I don't >think we have time for an IPL before we have to make changes. (I'm not 100% >certain we absolutely can't.) >The narrow question is whether BLSR is a Dynamic Subsystem or not. Wider >answers acce

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 11/09/2012 5:41 PM, Bruno Sugliani wrote: Everyone WOULD ... but how many do ? On this list for example? just curious There is a difference between theory and real life. My 20 years in IBM level 2 support center gave me some scars. Several customers have been very sorry to use a single CP ma

Is The Batch LSR Subsystem Dynamic?

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Packer
I have a customer that needs to tune Batch VSAM in a hurry. The two candidate techniques are Batch LSR (BLSR) and System-Managed Buffering (SMB). I've already established there'd be much value in converting NSR OPENs to LSR - so we probably don't need to debate that. The downside of SMB would

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-11 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:33:26 +0800, Timothy Sipples1 wrote: >Almost everyone here would. These are mainframes, with PR/SM and LPARs >proven to Common Criteria EAL5+ certification standards. Regardless of the >operating system(s) running in particular LPARs. I think I know what an LPAR and PR/SM

IARVSERV

2012-09-11 Thread David Stokes
Here's some code, CAS is a control address space and DAS a dependent address space which shares storage with CAS. I had to delete and change a lot of stuff but I think the basics are (still) there. Also not sure how one can format it better... CAS code * Working storage