REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread K
Hi all Is there any performance benefit of compiling our frequently REXX execs? Kind regards Kostas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

SSD tiering benefits

2013-08-07 Thread K
Dear Listers, We are thinking to implement storage tiering using some SSD volumes for some of our very active DB2 tablespaces. Is there any way to measure performance improvements for both CPU and IO utilization? Do you have any experience on tiering with SSD in DB2 environment? Kind regards

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Thomas Berg
Hi, Yes if you have a lot of rexx-pure executing code. If you have a many host commands intermingled with the code it's probably not much benefits. It depends of how much of the processing is done in the rexx code. Regards Thomas Berg ___

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Agree with Thomas On the REXX compiler installation, you find some compute intensive samples. Here we got the CPU speed 1 - 7 for the compiled REXX code I didn't see any "official" performance compare between compiled and interpreted code. Maybe a point would be to minimize the called exte

Re: SSD tiering benefits

2013-08-07 Thread Lizette Koehler
What tools do you have? Do you have SAS SAS/MXG SAS/MICS, Omegamon (Tivoli), DISK Magic, etc... What version of z/OS, DB2? What hardware is used? EMC (VMAX, other), HDS, IBM? RMF which creates the Type 70 records, should contain some of the information you are looking for. Do you have exp

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Charles Mills
Yes, but modest. Others have pointed out the issue of external calls. I would also point out the issue of "potential gain." If the Rexx exec currently takes .1 seconds to run, exactly how much are you likely to gain from compiling it? Also note that unlike what your expectations may be, compile

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Hardee, Chuck
I thought there were 2 versions of the runtime system for REXX. One that was free and one you paid for and therefore licensed. If this is still true, I suspect the differences between the two versions is related to either tighter code, more functions or both. I've truly never checked it out. I wa

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 8/7/2013 7:21 AM, Hardee, Chuck wrote: I thought there were 2 versions of the runtime system for REXX. One that was free and one you paid for and therefore licensed. If this is still true, I suspect the differences between the two versions is related to either tighter code, more functions or b

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:39:09 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > >I've always liked the nice abstraction with the z/OS C/C++ FILE I/O >implementation. fopen() is a factory function which returns a >semi-opaque structure with two function pointers to read/write routines >(methods) which handle all >the di

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread David Crayford
On 07/08/2013, at 9:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:39:09 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> I've always liked the nice abstraction with the z/OS C/C++ FILE I/O >> implementation. fopen() is a factory function which returns a >> semi-opaque structure with two function pointe

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Dave Salt
This is from the REXX user guide: The performance improvements that you can expect when you run compiled REXX programs depend on the type of program. A program that performs large numbersof arithmetic operations of default precision shows the greatest improvement. Aprogram that mainly issues

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread Charles Mills
You know, IMHO IBM blew it when the 31-bit thing came along and they came up with a bunch of "design patches" to QSAM like the DBCE. They should have gone the "file handle" route where the control blocks were hidden from the using programmers. You could continue to use 24-bit DCBs as-is for as long

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread David Crayford
I compiled the ISPF DTL compiler which is written in REXX. It ran significantly quicker. I have EXECIO benchmarks where compiled REXX was actually slower. http://users.tpg.com.au/crayford/rexx-lua-c-io-benchmark.htm. On 07/08/2013, at 10:08 PM, Dave Salt wrote: > This is from the REXX user gu

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:26:56 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: >You know, IMHO IBM blew it when the 31-bit thing came along and they came up >with a bunch of "design patches" to QSAM like the DBCE. They should have >gone the "file handle" route where the control blocks were hidden from the >using program

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread Charles Mills
Right you are. Parenthetically, no need for a 24-bit API because the whole point would be to allow QSAM to exploit 32-bit. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:47

RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Greg Shirey
Hello group, Does anyone know of a method to resume a RACF revoked ID without having an SMF record be written? We produce a daily listing of RACF commands from our SMF type 80s (using RACFRW) and we list ADDUSER ADDGROUP ALTUSER ALTGROUP CONNECT DELUSER DELGROUP PASSWORD PERMIT RALTER RDEFIN

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Greg Shirey wrote: >I dumped the SMF records for both July 7 and July 8 and ran a RACFRW to list >all the records and there is no reference to this User ID. From what LPARs are you collecting your records? Do you have RRSF? Do you have an IRREVX01 exit (RACF command processor exit) Do you h

OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread John McKown
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQzMDM Kind of interesting. Hope people don't mind the fact that it is not about the z. -- As of next week, passwords will be entered in Morse code. Maranatha! <>< John McKown --

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Greg Shirey
Ah, that is interesting. If I'm reading this correctly, I should see a type 7 record when the system loses other SMF records. So, seeing no type 7 record indicates that no records were lost. And there is no type 7 in the dump for that day. We converted to logstream recording of SMF data ba

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Klan, Rob (RET-DAY)
Just a stab but maybe the below applies Record Type 7 (07) - Data Lost z/OS V1R12.0 MVS System Management Facilities (SMF) SA22-7630-22 If all SMF buffers become full (either a result of no available output data sets for SMF to write to OR the system generating records at a rate fast

Re: C issue - 'struct stat'

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:04:51 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: > >Parenthetically, no need for a 24-bit API because the whole point would be to >allow QSAM to exploit 32-bit. > Underreacher. While 32-bit may be twice as good as 31-bit, it's not nearly as good as 64-bit. Anyone who designs a new contro

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Greg Shirey
Elardus, I have but one LPAR, we do not use RRSF, and we have no exits. We do use RRDF to allow for some password synchronization for those users who have multiple logons. This ID did not have a PEER, however. I tried a few experiments with the IRRADU00 utility. I haven't found any refere

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Tony Harminc
On 7 August 2013 12:33, Greg Shirey wrote: > Does anyone know of a method to resume a RACF revoked ID without having an > SMF record be written? Sure - just about anything can be done with the RACF macros. But they require authorization, of course. > We produce a daily listing of RACF commands

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:55:07 -0500, John McKown wrote: >http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQzMDM > >Kind of interesting. Hope people don't mind the fact that it is not about >the z. > Hmmm. Vaguely reminiscent of Amdahl, Fujitsu, Power Computing, and DayStar. But they probably

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread John McKown
Especially z/OS won't run on POWER. AIX, Linux, and "i/OS" (the IBM version, not Apple's!) are a possibility. But I doubt that IBM will license the i/OS system either. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:55:07 -0500, John McKown wrote: > > >http://www.ph

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Bob Shannon
>Especially z/OS won't run on POWER It won't run natively but could certainly run under an emulator. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread John McKown
OK. Legally licensed? I know of only two emulators for z/Architecture. One is Hercules/390. The other is IBM's which is used on the zPDT machine (this is a guess on my part). I guess that IBM could license the zPDT, ported to POWER (AIX or Linux?). But I really doubt that they will. Futher discussi

The z/OS V2.1 Migration PDF available

2013-08-07 Thread Lizette Koehler
I was not sure if this had been sent out to the list. Only PDF no BOO http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/e0z3m100.pdf The Migration PDF from z/OS V1.12 and V1.13 to V2.1 is out Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQzMDM > > Kind of interesting. Hope people don't mind the fact that it is not about > the z. Folklore is that Apple moved to Intel because IBM decided to focus on servers and weren't keeping u

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Greg Shirey
On 7 August 2013, 13:34 Tony Harminc wrote: >> We produce a daily listing of RACF commands from our SMF type 80s (using >> RACFRW) and we list ADDUSER >>ADDGROUP ALTUSER ALTGROUP CONNECT DELUSER >> DELGROUP PASSWORD PERMIT RALTER RDEFINE REMOVE. >> >> We also produce a daily listing of our CICS

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Bob Shannon
> OK. Legally licensed? Processor speed increases have slowed and emphasis is being placed on more concurrent processes. This raises the possibility of emulating zArchitecture on Power and eliminating z-specific hardware, something that's been speculated about for years. With the hardware fur

Re: The z/OS V2.1 Migration PDF available

2013-08-07 Thread Staller, Allan
Get used to it! IBM announced EOS for BookManager Read yesterday. EOS date 11/2014. ISTR, No CD/DVD's in .boo format was announced a couple of months back Cheers, I was not sure if this had been sent out to the list. Only PDF no BOO http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/e0z3m100.pdf The M

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Nagarjun Chandrasekaran
is that lpar mirrored? any chances of command replication on this lpar? On Aug 7, 2013 10:03 PM, "Greg Shirey" wrote: > > Hello group, > > Does anyone know of a method to resume a RACF revoked ID without having an SMF record be written? > > We produce a daily listing of RACF commands from our SMF

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread John McKown
Too true. Looks more like an Intel vs. ARM future. I'm not enough of a computer scientist to know which is "better". I stopped learning the Intel architecture in the i568 time frame. I did _not_ like it. I have looked a bit at ARM and I would likely have been a RISC bigot back in the day. On Wed,

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:08 PM, John McKown wrote: > Too true. Looks more like an Intel vs. ARM future. I'm not enough of a > computer scientist to know which is "better". I stopped learning the Intel > architecture in the i568 time frame. I did _not_ like it. I have looked a > bit at ARM and I would

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:14:06 +, Bob Shannon wrote: >>Especially z/OS won't run on POWER > >It won't run natively but could certainly run under an emulator. > OK. And I had been misled by chatter I had heard, possibly about the ECLipz endeavor, the rebuttal of which I failed to notice, to mis

Re: Panel Graphics - Dynamic Area Question

2013-08-07 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Group, I took out all the x'70' stuff. It looks like it works if you have the right terminal settings. I had to adjust the width to get it to format correctly. /* REXX */ address ISPEXEC "CONTROL ERRORS RETURN" S = '0123456789ABCDEF' H = '' do i1 = 1 by 1 to 16 do i2 = 1 by 1 to

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:33:24 -0500, Greg Shirey wrote: >Does anyone know of a method to resume a RACF revoked ID without having an SMF >record be written? An APF-authorized program can use ICHEINTY or RACROUTE REQUEST=EXTRACT,TYPE=REPLACE to resume a user ID, and neither will cut an SMF reco

Re: REXX exec, To compile or not to compile

2013-08-07 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
>Yes if you have a lot of rexx-pure executing code. If you have a many host >commands intermingled with the code it's probably not much benefits. I wanted to ask, where is EXECIO in the picture and how is it compares with using stream Thanks ZA ---

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread Ed Gould
That is only one issue of screen scraping which we have talked on here before. Its like trying to take an IDCAMS listing and parse it out to be more user friendly. It works great until IBM changes it. IOW its not a programmed interface that IBM is willing to advertise. Ed On Aug 7, 2013, a

Re: RACF User ID resumed without an SMF record?

2013-08-07 Thread John McKown
I agree, even though we have code which is similar. If I wrote it today, I'd use IRRXUTIL to get that data using a REXX program. On Aug 7, 2013 11:32 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote: > That is only one issue of screen scraping which we have talked on here > before. > Its like trying to take an IDCAMS listi