Hello Rob,
I'm not finding APAR OY66212 on the technical help database. Where can I
find it?
Thanks
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I found it in "SIS" - here is the abstract :
APAR Identifier .. OY66212 Last Changed 94/09/14
DOC ECB=X'30' UNDEFINED
ECBCC = 30 AFTER OPERATOR CANCEL (ABEND122 ABEND222)
Symptom .. DD DOC Status ... CLOSED PER
Severity ... 3
Hi,
I added a few consoles, and the operators are complaining that the output from
$DI is not displayed on the console.
When I issue the $DI command I see this in the syslog, but nothing is displayed
on the console:
T064 0290 $DI
STC09092 0290 $DI,CLASS,STATUS,JOBNAME
INTERNAL 0
Thanks for this. However, from what I'm seeing there must be a bit more
to it. My client task is waiting on an ECB is ECSA storage obtained by
the server address space. It is the server address space that has been
forced; the client task is waiting on this ecb and others, but only the
one in ECSA o
Hello,
When I issue a $DSRVCLASS,COUNTS command, I get counters per system for
the WLM managed Initiators, with numbers for INITS, ACTIVE and TARGET.
INITS is the number of started initiators for the Serviceclass, ACTIVE
is the number of initiators that are executing a job, but what is
TARGET?
>From what I can tell from the doc, POSTing an ECB with ECBUNWT already on will
>not wake up your waiting client.
If you must use ECBs to serialize between client and server - I suggest an
extra timer (and ECB added to your ECBLIST) that would enable your client to
sniff your server ECB in ECS
>Which is what OA38328 is an attempt to resolve. Works
>just fine on LPALSTxx and other members which is what
>the OP could have used.
While I certainly recommend this APAR, this APAR is not about providing a
common syntax. It is about providing the capability of putting comments
anywhere in t
What about nerf herders?
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>Which is what OA38328 is an attempt to resolve. Works
>just fine on LPALSTxx and other members wh
OK, he doesn't say anything about the z. I just read that in myself.
Basically what he is saying is that today's users are brain dead morons who
can't think. Explains so much. In the remote past, these people were
predator food.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2425840,00.asp
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In <19e2f4a9-2c93-4fa8-bd87-22cf25f87...@gmail.com>, on 10/21/2013
at 01:27 PM, Cheryl Walker said:
>I don't know whether this okay to post or not.
You could always ask Big D. I suspect that he would approve, and your
newsletter has always been useful.
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Hello R.S. ,
Yes, comment line was only issue for this problem. It
would be really great to see,if any tool can help on syntax checker for
parmlib member.
Regards
Saurabh
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM, R.S. wrote:
> W dniu 2013-10-22 05:44, saurabh khandelwal pisze:
>
>
That's a strange conclusion to draw from that article. Why would you think
that users were more knowledgeable in the early days of MVS?
Adam
>OK, he doesn't say anything about the z. I just read that in myself.
>Basically what he is saying is that today's users are brain dead morons who
>can't
WIth a syntax error such as the one shown by the OP, there would have been
an IPL-time message such as:
IEA712I LPALST LIBRARY DATA SETS IGNORED
/*-UNABLE TO LOCATE
As to why it blew up, it was likely because one of the data sets later in
the LPALSTx
Thanks for all your responses. ECBUNWT was not the problem.
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>F
NewEra has a syntax checker, "IMAGE FOCUS", you can also download a free
syntax checker from them "IPL CHECK".
jk
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The command output shows INTERNAL. Are you issuing the command from the
internal reader or thru some strange product? Is there an automation product
that is suppressing the original command and re-issuing it with the options?
When a command is issued, it's output goes back to the issuer of the c
No, but the techies were! There was (sigh of nostalgia) training!
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And, for the true techies (bit twiddlers), there were PLM manuals which
explained the internals and also actual, real, live SOURCE CODE to study
and try to understand. Which is why I'm a Linux/*BSD bigot these days.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Staller, Allan wrote:
> No, but the techies wer
Is that the fault of individuals or of the business environment?
>No, but the techies were! There was (sigh of nostalgia) training!
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Since you have not received any response, I would post the question here (you
might even find the answer somewhere on the page):
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/wlm/ under the Email z/OS WLM
tab.
Please post any response receive here as well.
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Good question. For professional training (which costs $$), it is likely
the business environment. But I've also had users refuse to take free,
internal, courses because they: (1) don't have the time; (2) already know
all that stuff; and (3) don't want to bother because software should be
"intui
Allan,
That was a golden hint: on the WLM page I decided to check the Systems
Programmer Guide to: Workload Manager first and did a search on COUNTS.
Chapter 6.1 describes the JES2 handling of WLM managed Initiators and
what the TARGETs are.
Since this is a JES2 feature, I think it should be desc
On 10/22/2013 7:56 AM, Staller, Allan wrote:
No, but the techies were! There was (sigh of nostalgia) training!
And here's an opportunity to bring back training on a
do-it-yourself basis:
The Trainer's Friend, Inc. is having a going out of
business sale of their training materials. PDF files
Fair enough, but let's forget about users in this regard. In my experience,
the business environment has become unnecessarily restrictive regarding
risk, so that even supposed "sandbox" systems may have significant limits on
what an individual can do. When this is coupled with there being zero
ben
That is a mine field. Ever since WLM managed inits were introduced (z/OS 2.4)
it has been a challenge to determine which product is responsible (and where to
route the bug reports).
Since this is a JES2 feature, I think it should be described also in
JES2 documentation.
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On 10/21/2013 11:37 PM, Jon Perryman wrote:
The point was that the error was so severe that it caused a wait state and
required a standalone dump for analysis. Typically, IPL should proceed at least
to activate the console and place the message on the console. IBM tries to make
the system at l
What about the SAMPLIB SPPINST and SPPPACK ?
According comments it is a kind of syntax checker.
On 22.10.2013 15:22, Peter Relson wrote:
WIth a syntax error such as the one shown by the OP, there would have been
an IPL-time message such as:
IEA712I LPALST LIBRARY DATA SETS IGNORED
/*
Is it truly required for *everyone* to be computer literate? In the early
days computers were not so widespread the few that used them were those
that understood them and how they worked. This was necessary as the
systems themselves were crude with regard to interfaces and services
provided. Now
Just one word. "Education" ... IBM cut their own throats (has been
discussed on here before) when they stopped the education discount.
Ed
On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
That's a strange conclusion to draw from that article. Why would
you think
that users were more knowle
The problem, for the "average end user", is just what Microsoft said long
ago: Choice is bad. Today's end users need the equivalent of an automobile.
Once you've learned how to drive a "regular" car (versus an 18-wheeler or
Formula One or NASCAR ...), then you can fairly easily drive most other
con
In the good old days IBM had Customer Service Reps and Field Engineers that
assisted in the Education. The best we can hope for now is Web presentations.
Regards
Otto H Schumacher
Transaction and Database Systems - CICS Specialist
U. S. Mainframe
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 864 987 14
Let's also remember that in the "good old days" you paid for every manual,
so there's no comparison to the ability to access hundreds of manuals and
have them available for free. This doesn't even count all the SHARE
presentations and numerous other sources of information.
>In the good old days
On 10/22/2013 10:16 AM, Lou Losee wrote:
Is it truly required for *everyone* to be computer literate? In the early
days computers were not so widespread the few that used them were those
that understood them and how they worked. This was necessary as the
systems themselves were crude with regar
On 10/22/2013 10:44 AM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
Let's also remember that in the "good old days" you paid for every manual,
so there's no comparison to the ability to access hundreds of manuals and
have them available for free. This doesn't even count all the SHARE
presentations and numerous other so
Ron:
The only way that I am aware of saving in Rexx is if there is a lot of
computations. The I/O using compiled Rexx is the same as the interpreted
version. I have written in Rexx since 1984 ...haven't had to use the compiler
yet. But I am not a math head ...or someone that requires a ton of ma
On 10/22/2013 1:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
The only way that I am aware of saving in Rexx is if there is a lot
of computations. The I/O using compiled Rexx is the same as the
interpreted version. I have written in Rexx since 1984 ...haven't had
to use the compiler yet.
The compiler is handy for s
A recent experience with a rental car has me re-thinking the concept of
the test drive. My own cars are 10+ years old, dog years in
technology. The latest automotive examples makes the term "regular car"
a paradigm that is slipping away from me. Next time I kick some new car
tires I'll begin
Does anyone know whether there is a publication about the consolidated font
library that ships with z/OS 2.1? If so, can you provide a URL? TIA.
Bob
R.P. Shannon
Manager, zTeam
Rocket Software
77 Fourth Avenue * Waltham, MA 02451 * USA
t: +1 781 684 2105 * f: +1 781 684 7100 * e:
bshan...@rs.co
Greetings ,
Recently , we had a problem during the REORG of SAR index file . It was
observed that the index file utilization increases abnormally while the REORG
job runs and comes down once the job completes. In the mean while , if the
utilization crosses 100 % , the job fails and SAR task
Bob Shannon wrote:
Does anyone know whether there is a publication about the consolidated font
library that ships with z/OS 2.1? If so, can you provide a URL? TIA.
Is this what you're looking for?
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/e0z1x100.pdf
It's one of the books from:
http://www
On 10/21/2013 5:46 PM, Jim Blalock wrote:
The unit-record gear was all IBM. No one did it better :-)
You might get an argument about that. The card reader on the CDC 6600
was faster than the IBM 2540, and managed to read mangled cards that the
2540 would reject or jam up on. A decade later D
Previously, there were the z/OS Font Collection and PSF Compatibility Fonts
(separately orderable feature). The z/OS Font Collection is/was part of the
z/OS base.
The PSF Compatibility Fonts have been merged into the z/OS Font Collection for
z/OS 2.1 by PM93209 (1 of nine) and other apars.
Thanks John. I overlooked it.
Bob
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Well, that's what IBM always told us. They also sold us card saws so we
could unjam their readers and punches. All part of the IBM unit-record
experience!
And, in the early 80s we ditched the card gear and went to non-IBM printers.
On 10/22/2013 2:33 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
On 10/21/
Hi list,
I just dug thru the Advanced Copy Redbook and the Advanced Copy Services
regular document, as well as looking thru the archives to no avail.
Here's my question. I have a large VSAM dataset that I am backing up with
DFDSS COPY services using Flashcopy (full copy, not NOCOPY) right befo
W dniu 2013-10-22 20:21, Roger Steyn pisze:
Greetings ,
Recently , we had a problem during the REORG of SAR index file . It was
observed that the index file utilization increases abnormally while the REORG
job runs and comes down once the job completes. In the mean while , if the
utiliza
They were rugged. We had an MFCM that bailed about 90 cards in the middle of
card oriented registration(circa 1968). The CE(did his own car mods and maint)
rolled it out in the hall and fired up a propane torch to clear the jam. Did
alignment checks and rolled it back in to complete registration
When I started in systems programming in 1978, most of the IBM manuals were
free. I remember talking to our account SE at the time, and he said that
most of them were free if you ordered a reasonable quantity. I think the
extra priced products you had to pay for the manuals back then, but most
The S-10 didn't come out until 1982.
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They were rugged. We had an MFCM that bailed about 90
I believe we've discussed the 'NIP message' problem before. While a very
useful message may well be displayed on the IPL-time console, in many
(most?) cases it disappears instantly when the machine enters wait state.
It's gone so fast that any detail is pretty much indecipherable. While SAD
wit
>
> Greetings ,
>
>Recently , we had a problem during the REORG of SAR index file . It was
> observed that the index file utilization increases abnormally while the REORG
> job runs and comes down once the job completes. In the mean while , if the
> utilization crosses 100 % , the job fai
Yeah, glad you caught it. It was the pick-up truck. The S-10 was much later.
Guess after couple hundred thousand mile, put in a V-8 short block and the
Holley double pumper.
I went away after graduate school('74) and came back('86) with most of IBMer's
still in place. Sometimes the datelines ge
The dynamic information retrieval function of dynamic allocation services is an
option...
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I am not quite sure I agree with you about every manual costing $$.
My limited memory says at one time GC manuals were free and the SC
manual cost $$.
*WAY* back when (1970's) we wanted to order 300 copies of the new
COBOL Compiler manuals (for our programmers). We were told that each
manual
Tony:
Chuckle I don't think that will help as most vehicles on the showroom
floor do not have power (battery has been disconnected).
Having said that I recently bought a car and did not like the stereo
the car came with. I went to a place that sold different models and
was not allowed to pla
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:23:45 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
>When I started in systems programming in 1978, most of the IBM manuals were
>free. I remember talking to our account SE at the time, and he said that
>most of them were free if you ordered a reasonable quantity. ...
>
Many companies giv
If AOC still comes compiled, then having the REXX compiler is probably still
recommended. Without the REXX compiler, you will need to use the alternate REXX
runtime library which is very slow. If I remember correctly, I think it
decompiles and then runs the REXX interpreted (if I remember correc
> I believe we've discussed the 'NIP message' problem before. While a very
> useful message may well be displayed on the IPL-time console, in many
> (most?) cases it disappears instantly when the machine enters wait
state.
> It's gone so fast that any detail is pretty much indecipherable. Whil
I confess that I have not tested this maneuver. Doesn't the OSM screen
close as soon as the operating system stops? Maybe not.
In any case, I do know this from experience: if the customer has
configured any NIP console to an OSA device, NIP messages will go only to
that device and not to the HM
> I confess that I have not tested this maneuver. Doesn't the OSM screen
> close as soon as the operating system stops? Maybe not.
System Reset Normal does not close or clear Operating System Messages.
> In any case, I do know this from experience: if the customer has
> configured any NIP co
Jon,
Yes sir I agree with you, I haven't touched Netview or SA in about 10+ years.
Got away from it went I went from VTAM/NCP sysprog to Developer. But prior to
my job change I wrote a lot of rexx and still do ..
Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com/
On Wednesday, Oct
> I recommend that you do not define any devices as NIP consoles
> in your IODF. Then Operating System Messages will always be used as
> the NIP console.
The problem is convincing the powers-that-be of that. I have the scars from
attempting it. Here inertia hits - 'we have always used a "real co
> This kind of error rarely gets mentioned on IBM-MAIN because SAD of
> early IPL failure is super fast and IPCS takes only seconds to init such
> a dump. The problems are usually fixed immediately and folks move on to
> more challenging issues.
I agree completely. But if there isn't someone fo
> The command output shows INTERNAL. Are you issuing the command from the
> internal reader or thru some strange product? Is there an automation product
> that is suppressing the original command and re-issuing it with the options?
The command was issued from STC09092, which he said is control-O
I'm not very proficient in Control-O.
Does anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this?
All the Control-O rule does is add some extra parameters to the $DI command.
Gadi
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You could open a case to BMC and request further help. I usually find the
vendor support areas most helpful.
If you could post the command issued by Control-O to show us the extra
information, we might be able to make suggestions.
Lizette
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The command issued bu Control-O is $DI,CLASS,STATUS,JOBNAME
Gadi
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On 10/22/2013 11:06 PM, nitz-...@gmx.net wrote:
This kind of error rarely gets mentioned on IBM-MAIN because SAD of
early IPL failure is super fast and IPCS takes only seconds to init such
a dump. The problems are usually fixed immediately and folks move on to
more challenging issues.
I agree co
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