The year when Google made TAPE cool again...

2013-12-29 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/12/29/ a_year_of_tape_tittle_tattle/ Year in Review Tape has pretty much been rescued over the past year by revelations that both Google and Amazon were using tape libraries for data archiving purposes. If these glamorous, bleeding edge online cloud se

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/12/2013 1:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote: Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.) For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility. In fact, sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely to us

Re: ¢† One day , a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:28 -0600 on 12/29/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: ’ñ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - You: >In context of that video, the HP 9100 is particularly significant - Athur C. Clarke had been presented with one by HP in 1970. Is that Clarke? I'm not entirely familiar wi

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-29 Thread Ricky
I have my own edit system: Use Vim to do editing and sytax highligting, auto complete, also Vim calls ftp command and one shell to submit JCL that do send to z/OS and call compiler. Also intergrate with Cygwin can use a lot of GNU utility, such as grep/awk/sed. I think the most powerful thing

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Andy Wood
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:28:19 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Is that Clarke? I'm not entirely familiar with his appearance. And the >filming location? Sri Lanka? > Yes, that was Clarke. It is from an Australian Broadcasting Corporation TV show called Perspective. The program list for 29 May 1

Re: Early !BM multiprocessors (renamed from Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?)

2013-12-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > I know nothing about FAA custom hardware, but the 65MP had no RPQ > instructions related to multiprocessing. It used the standard (though > optional) Read Direct and Write Direct instructions, with the direct > interface on each CPU plugged into the matchin

Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT?

2013-12-29 Thread Art Gutowski
I, too, have been watching this thread with interest. I read much on overall sizing, but little on individual page dataset sizing or count (quantity). I have perused past posts where those particulars have been discussed, but am curious as to whether any new experiences has lead folks to adjus

Re: Early !BM multiprocessors (renamed from Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?)

2013-12-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 22 December 2013 15:11, DASDBILL2 wrote: > I seem to remember working with some S/360 Model 55 MPs at an FAA Air Route > Traffic Control Center in 1978. They must have had smaller maximum real > memories and run slower than model 65MPs, but had the same RPQ extra > instructions to enable mu

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 29 December 2013 18:17, Charles Mills wrote: > Java I thought ... No - as I said earlier, the "Java" versions of Softcopy Reader et al are just wrappers. The real work gets done in platform-specific executable code in DLLs or UNIXy shared objects. I haven't looked, but I'd be amazed if the zAr

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Charles Mills
Java I thought ... Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Tony Harminc wrote: >On 29 December 2013 09:31, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>>Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >>>like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >>>

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 29 December 2013 09:31, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >>like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >>APL\360 and OORexx. Heh... >> > So that we could run it on Hercules? Or, is it (even worse) PL/S? I i

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:52 -0600, Andy Wood wrote: > >Some may say that the HP 9100 was only a calculator, but Bill Hewlett himself >supposedly said that HP called it a calculator rather than a computer as a >marketing ploy (knowing that potential customers could more easily justify the >purch

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Andy Wood
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:50:03 -0500, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > >IBM 5100 1973 at Palo Alto Science Center >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100 > Besides the IBM 5100, there were other desktop machines that could be called computers. Two that I personally encountered were the Datapoint 220

Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-12-28, at 10:21, Charles Mills wrote: > The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. > How would you rank CMS vis-a-vis Unix System Services by this criterion? Before USS was available I tended to edit JCL on CMS with XEDIT; nowadays on Solaris, often accessing legacy data sets with NF

Re: SMP/E ++HOLD FMID() for dependent FUNCTION SYSMOD

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:54:57 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote: > ... I looked at a couple [dependent functions] from IBM very long ago. They > basically used it to change FMID ownership of modules. Modules shipped in > PTF's under the parent FMID would be ignored and only the new FMID modules > would

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA IBM 5100 1973 at Palo Alto Science Center http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100 enuf of 1130 emulation to run apl\1130 (SCAMP) product out in 1978 was enuf of 360 emulation (on PALM) to run apl\360 note tha

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:40:22 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: > >Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >APL\360 and OORexx. Heh... > So that we could run it on Hercules? Or, is it (even worse) PL/S?

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/22/2013 at 07:10 AM, John Gilmore said: >Shmuel writes > >Nonsense; I/O channels on the 7090 were binary. The fact that the >7909 was an 8-bit channel rather than a 6-bit channel doesn't change >that. >and of course it does 'change that'. Not even close. There is no use of hexad

Re: Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20131225020725.60c1924...@panix5.panix.com>, on 12/24/2013 at 09:07 PM, Randy Hudson said: >No JES then; HASP might have been available, but it mostly worked >by emulating devices and hooking into standard exits (IEFUJV, >IEFUJI) to massage the JCL to point to its (pseudo-) devices. HAS

Re: Does code on both zIIP and zAAP have to run authorized was Re: COBOL IN SRB Mode (Was Un-authorized caller)

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/24/2013 at 09:46 PM, Clark Morris said: >Subject line says it all. My understanding of most discussions here >is that the answer is yes. The answer is different for ZIIP and ZAAP. >Then the second question is whether this >is logically code that would have run authorized anyway?

Re: Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <017401cefffc$510bc390$f3234ab0$@mcn.org>, on 12/23/2013 at 11:30 AM, Charles Mills said: >http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/360/os/R19_Jun70/GC28-6628-5_System_Control_Blocks_Rel_19_Jun70.pdf >gives the layout of the TCB and the field names all begin with TCB. >Page 282 and follow

Re: Turing's belated pardon

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1912514778140765.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/24/2013 at 03:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >http://boingboing.net/2013/12/24/queen-elizabeth-pardons-turing.html >In my view, the Queen should have pardoned every man and woman >persecuted under the cruel and unjust law that

Re: Early !BM multiprocessors (renamed from Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?)

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1689901514.1458087.1387743082672.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, on 12/22/2013 at 08:11 PM, DASDBILL2 said: >I seem to remember working with some S/360 Model 55 MPs at an FAA Air >Route Traffic Control Center in 1978.  ITYM 9020, which used modified S/360 processors as compute and I/O element

Re: Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0871825165316453.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/22/2013 at 10:56 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >ATTACH/DETACH appeared contemporaneously with TSO!? IBM Operating System/360 Concepts and Facilities, C28-6535-0, is ©1965 and mentions ATTACH. Even ATTACH for MFT is older than TSO

Re: ? One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Binyamin Dissen
He also predicted home networking. That was quite a while later. On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:26:12 -0500 Charles Mills wrote: :>It shows how hard it is to predict the distant future. Predictions either come sooner than predicted, or not at all. The Altair 8800 was only one year away; the TRS-80 onl

Re: Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <5000331903687025.wa.afg0510videotron...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/22/2013 at 10:01 AM, "Andreas F. Geissbuehler" said: >In the early '70 IBM released a new and improved CRJE called TSO, CRJE was a new and improved CRBE, but TSO was something new. >I believe it was part of IBM's "worst-ever

Re: Word sizes was Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/22/2013 at 08:52 AM, Clark Morris said: >Also 48 bits on the Honeywell 800 and Burroughs B5000. Yes, and several others, for one of which I used to have lust in my heart. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20131222125014.GB23307@dlc-dt>, on 12/22/2013 at 07:50 AM, "David L. Craig" said: >And don't come back with "real MVS programmers don't need to debug >their code." ;-) I'd be the last person to make, or defend, such a statement. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: Testing for key 8

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/27/2013 at 06:31 PM, zMan said: >Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 (not >that this is that complicated): > EPSW R14,R0Extract PSW > SLL R14,8 Get key bits in left-most nibble > SRL R14,28Now isolate in

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Charles Mills
It shows how hard it is to predict the distant future. Predictions either come sooner than predicted, or not at all. The Altair 8800 was only one year away; the TRS-80 only three years distant. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.E

Re: how omegamon addrwss space CANSC5 communicate with CANSO2O

2013-12-29 Thread lltvw
Lizette, Thanks for your question and help. No program was encountered, I am a ccurious person, and just want to know how does omegamon work. Of course, i think the answer of these question will help me a lot if any problem found. Thank you very much. -- 发自我的网易邮箱手机智能版 在 2013-12-29 21:00:5

Re: how omegamon addrwss space CANSC5 communicate with CANSO2O

2013-12-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a few questions What version of Omegamon CICS? What version of CICS? What version of z/OS? What are you trying to understand? Is there a problem with the install? A problem with collecting data in Omegamon? Is there a resource issue with z/OS and Omegamon? Is something not working c

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA My, oh my! Thanks Ed. That bold claim came true at all! ;-) Nice vid, I must admit! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arch

how omegamon addrwss space CANSC5 communicate with CANSO2O

2013-12-29 Thread lltvw
Dear list, I have a question on omegamon, please help to take a look, thanks in advance. As omegamon for CICS has three basic address space as following: CANSO2O - CUA address space CANSC5 - Classic address space and collector CANSC2 - XE agent My question is how does address sp