Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread CM Poncelet
That's what I thought (VTOC and catalog updated) roughly. Thanks. On 13/05/2022 05:33, Mike Schwab wrote: > The VTOC and catalog is updated. SMS writes an EOF record on the > first track, non-SMS gets the last contents. > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 3:52 AM CM Poncelet >

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread Mike Schwab
The VTOC and catalog is updated. SMS writes an EOF record on the first track, non-SMS gets the last contents. On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 3:52 AM CM Poncelet <03e99a92061c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I could be wrong, but I had the vague impression that allocating > datasets via

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread CM Poncelet
I could be wrong, but I had the vague impression that allocating datasets via IEFBR14 did not *physically* allocate them on DASD - but that they were physically allocated only when an 'OPEN for WRITE' was issued against them. BTW I cannot check this, as I have no access to a mainframe (8+ years.) 

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Tom Brennan
Oh I figured that. But that's just a minor additional hurdle. On 5/12/2022 5:12 PM, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote: Although it was in clear text, it was in a read-protected control block. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: 12

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread John McKown
On Thu, May 12, 2022, 14:04 Tom Brennan wrote: > Yes... Now that you mention it, I do remember the key in PDS > directories, but I never worked with those others directly. Do VSAM > datasets use disk keys? > No. VSAM is really designed with FBA (Fixed Block Architecture) devices in mind. Too

Re: File Manager questions (or other way to copy unlike PDSes)

2022-05-12 Thread Peter Van Dyke
Hi Radoslaw, Regarding ISPF statistics, you can specify the option STATS=OFF to prevent the DSC function updating the ISPF statistics for PDS/E members that are copied. The default is STATS=ON, which updates the statistics for each member copied. Thanks, Peter Van Dyke On Thu, 12 May 2022 at

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Although it was in clear text, it was in a read-protected control block. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: 12 May 2022 20:19 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords Wow, clear text. But all

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Charles Mills
Cool! Any good password stories? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords VSAM does not

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks Steve. And for now on I'll search for BDAM only in Chrome incognito mode. On 5/12/2022 12:14 PM, Steve Smith wrote: VSAM does not use hardware keys. What I know of that does are PDS directories (KL=8) (not PDSE), VTOCs (KL=44), SYS1.BRODCAST (KL=1), and just heard about PASSWORD.

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Yes, "keyed BDAM" was (and is) a supported (if little used these days) access method. AFAIR, "keyed BDAM" was one of the 3 file types supported by PL/1 F "REGIONAL" files. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Thursday,

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Non-relative track address BDAM used it to, right? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords [External Email. Exercise caution

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Yes, ISAM positively did use hardware keys. BTDTGTTS, and I do mean scars. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords VSAM does

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Mike Schwab
VTOCs have the 44 byte DSN as a key. On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:04 PM Tom Brennan wrote: > > Yes... Now that you mention it, I do remember the key in PDS > directories, but I never worked with those others directly. Do VSAM > datasets use disk keys? > > On 5/12/2022 3:11 AM, Seymour J Metz

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Tom Brennan
Wow, clear text. But all that doesn't matter if a fellow sysprog modifies my logon clist to put up messages something like this: ACF01234 ID HAS BEEN OFFLINE FOR TOO LONG PLEASE LOGON AGAIN ACF01235 ACF2, ENTER USERID: ACF01236 ACF2, ENTER PASSWORD: ... and then SEND the password to the

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Steve Smith
VSAM does not use hardware keys. What I know of that does are PDS directories (KL=8) (not PDSE), VTOCs (KL=44), SYS1.BRODCAST (KL=1), and just heard about PASSWORD. They are (of course) available for user application with BDAM (Google suggests I meant "BDSM"... almost appropriate ;-). I don't

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Tom Brennan
Yes... Now that you mention it, I do remember the key in PDS directories, but I never worked with those others directly. Do VSAM datasets use disk keys? On 5/12/2022 3:11 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: No, SYSCTLG and CVOLs had key length 8, to say nothing of PDS directories. -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Obviously, I'm not a baseball fan . -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques [External Email.

z/OSMF Rollout

2022-05-12 Thread Igor Froderick
We've implemented z/OSMF in one of our 2.4 images and will be looking to roll out the configuration to a second 2.4 image soon. I'm just wondering if anyone has any tips, tricks or gotcha's as far as replicating to another system? I'm hoping to avoid reconfiguring the next instance from

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
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Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Mike, it is also possible that the person that his/her password was stolen do not have a mainframe user-id. Still, if you get one (mainframe user and password), take the money and run: If it is a sec admin, create your own user, for DBA get client PII, etc. ITschak ITschak Mugzach *|**

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Mike Schwab
The big problem is that PCs are used as terminals, and key stroke loggers will capture userids and passwords, whatever system you are connecting to. The big advantage to mainframe security is a UserID and Password only gets you access to a very small slice of the mainframe (Racf admin, system

Re: File Manager questions (or other way to copy unlike PDSes)

2022-05-12 Thread Sri h Kolusu
≫ Q1. Is it APARable or I just missed something? 2. Records are copied from VB to FB and remaining space after last character is filled with X'00', but I need X'40' - regular space character. Q2. Is there any trick/option to specify it? Radoslaw, Filemanager does indeed support all of your

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread Mike Schwab
I think 0 tracks is not migrateable, so you have the VTOC entry on that volume tied up. (I.E. DSCB on a volume you can't migrate the dataset to take the volume offline). On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 2:07 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > > David, > > My point was that if you allocate the dataset with a very

Re: File Manager questions (or other way to copy unlike PDSes)

2022-05-12 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Radek, Q3. I don't know about preventing change to ISPF Statistics, but, they can be set via the PDS Command Processor (CBT File 182). ATTRIB member1 ID(myuser) CREATED(05/11/22) LAST(05/12/22) TIME(1015) SECS(30) (You can write a program to issue the ATTRIB against all of the members in

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
Might also mention the passwords' role in the UADS structure. A user could have multiple passwords, and was limited to the accounts and procedures under the password he logged on with. There is no RACF equivalent. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Woohoo, I finally said something on IBM that is of benefit to someone else. I think I will take the rest of the day off. I'm batting 100%, and I don't want to screw that up. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Thursday, May 12,

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread Pommier, Rex
David, My point was that if you allocate the dataset with a very small primary and large secondary, if the dataset is never opened, you've only wasted a cylinder of space instead of 500. I just played with Richard's suggestion of using SPACE(CYL(0,500),RLSE) and it works just fine, allocating

Re: z/PD USB key

2022-05-12 Thread Chris Gulledge
I've completed the paperwork and downloaded the software. In discussions with my sales representative, it was mentioned that the key should be in the mail no later than 05/11/2022. No tracking information was provided. Hopefully it will show up soon. Chris Gulledge On Thu, May 12, 2022, 7:46

File Manager questions (or other way to copy unlike PDSes)

2022-05-12 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
My goal is to copy several PDS datasets, hundreds of text members. Source is VB 255, target is FB 80 - so IEBCOPY will not work. Manual ISPF operations is also not an option. So I tried to use File Manager: $$FILEM DSC INPUT=DDIN OUTPUT=DDOUT MEMBER=* However I noticed two issues: 1.

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Maybe include how the TSO password used to be stored (in clear of course) in the TSB control block in days past. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com 'Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: Odd z/OS e-mail not via the list

2022-05-12 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Peter Enrico and EPS are well known to those of us on this list. There is no malice here. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 6:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Odd

STARTIO references

2022-05-12 Thread Mike Kerford-Byrnes
Way back in the early 80's, I recall reading an Amdahl Technical Bulletin/manual by Peter Haas titled "The STARTIO function of MVS" (or something like that). (White cover, 10 - 20 pages, a bit like the WSC GG22- books). I no longer have those manuals, and I do not know if anyone passed them to

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Don't know if this is part of the article aspects... Most people think that phishing does not threaten mainframes since the attack infrastructure is usually email (or phone). However, many organizations use password Sync, so no matter which password I get, it is the one that is used on the

Re: z/PD USB key

2022-05-12 Thread Jay Maynard
I'm all the way through the paperwork and downloaded the package, still no key. On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 12:30 AM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > Same here, I had to restart in March, and still have not heard anything. > > Brian > > On Wed, 11 May 2022 18:44:44 -0400,

Re: Odd z/OS e-mail not via the list

2022-05-12 Thread Rupert Reynolds
Using Gmail on a phone, I can't see full headers. Not even if I use a browser with the "Show desktop site" option. All Gmail shows is the from: and reply-to: both as peter.enr...@epstrategies.com (the list e-mails usually have both set to the IBM-MAIN list address). It looks like a believable

Re: The Story of Mainframe Passwords

2022-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, SYSCTLG and CVOLs had key length 8, to say nothing of PDS directories. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com]

Re: Odd z/OS e-mail not via the list

2022-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
What's in the header of the message? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Rupert Reynolds [rreyno...@cix.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 5:02 PM To:

Re: Potential Resource Savings Techniques

2022-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
I agree on the EOF, but I question the RLSE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gibney, Dave [03b5261cfd78-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: