>On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 03:26:45 PM PDT, Rick Troth
>wrote:
> I don't follow your comparison of PDS/e and Unix filesystems.
Understanding PDS/e inefficiency is critical to understand because it is the
functional equivalent of a Unix filesystem. Put on your z/OS DASD sysprog hat
for a
Ok, I guess that could mean that if/until someone earns your respect,
you make fun of them like you did with me, ignore their answers like you
did with me, and ignore their questions like you did with me.
On 7/29/2023 9:14 PM, Jon Perryman wrote:
I'm civil to those who earn and demonstrate
That is OK. But I need to see the output from the GSKSRVR trace to get to
the bottom of the issue. I suspect that you are missing a CA somewhere,
and the trace will tell us WHICH certificate that is.
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 at 14:23, Brian Westerman
wrote:
> This is what I get from your command:
On 7/27/2023 11:44 AM, Schmitt, Michael wrote:
I don't remember what the deal was with NFS when I asked about it 3 years ago.
More than likely its dependence on Kerberos...
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This is what I get from your command:
racdcert id(CSSMTP) listr(CSSMTPRing)
Digital ring information for user CSSMTP:
Ring:
>CSSMTPRing<
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 04:33:30 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz
> wrote:
> I'm perfectly willing to be civil with people who are civil,
If I'm continually "wrong again", how is it that we arrived at the solution?
Does anyone think that Seymour was leading Phil towards a solution to his
"ADD" adds a certificate (contained in a data set) to RACF, but *not* to a
keyring. For that you need "CONNECT".
RC 8 means: An error is detected while validating a certificate, so a CA is
missing from the keyring (even though you might've ADDed it to RACF).
IBM says (edited for brevity):
1.
Me just thinking about the 'Levels Of Argument' keeps me calm when the name
calling begins.
On Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 17:48 Jay Maynard wrote:
> Now folks...let's not descend into personal name-calling, how about?
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 4:56 PM Jon Perryman wrote:
>
> > > On Saturday, July
I get
BPXF024I (TCPIP) Jul 30 01:12:45 TTLS[16777256]: 18:12:45 TCPIP 639
EZD1286I TTLS Error GRPID: 0007 ENVID: 0009 CONNID: 009B
LOCAL: 192.168.1.66..1122 REMOTE: 99.198.97.250..587 JOBNAME: CSSMTP
USERID: CSSMTP RULE: CSSMTP RC:8 Initial Handshake 00
00
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 18:26:29 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>
>Here's a neat trick: you can make a hard link to a sym-link.
>
I believe that's not required for POSIX conformance. But I may
be misled by the lack of that ability in the "ln" utility.
>There are only a handful of actual file *types*:
>
>
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 18:47:54 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>Xwindows is used by Linux because it had been developed widely and was
>common on Unix when Linux came into popular view.
>
One thing that Xwindows got wrong was exposing the bit pitch in the API.
A co-worker lamented that on his new Mac with
On 7/29/23 11:28 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
Can anyone provide the definition of MAINFRAME? The ARS Technica
article is complete nonsense because the mainframe is a state of
mind and nothing to do with reality. Can anyone prove me wrong?
I tend to agree that mainframe can be a state of mine
I'm perfectly willing to be civil with people who are civil, but when someone
insists on repeated personal attacks. Take a look at the history of this thread
and you will see that I have been restrained by comparison.
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
We had an ... interesting ... conversation over on the assembler list a
couple weeks ago.
I knee-jerked against something PHSiii said. I sorta started some
flaming. Not intentional.
Yeah ... the author got me ticked off too.
I'm actually not a COBOL fan, but I truly wish more of us knew it
Xwindows is used by Linux because it had been developed widely and was
common on Unix when Linux came into popular view.
Xwindows itself is an excellent development. Sadly, Xwindows is way to
"chatty" and has other issues. (But the reactions against it from the
security community are WAY out of
Now folks...let's not descend into personal name-calling, how about?
On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 4:56 PM Jon Perryman wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 02:10:11 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz <
> sme...@gmu.edu> wrote:
> > Wrong again. When running z/OS under VM for production, multiple 3270
>
I don't follow your comparison of PDS/e and Unix filesystems.
If I saw correlation of Linux filesystems with PDS, I glossed over it as
stoopid. (Here again, I feel your pain.)
My understanding is that PDS is (historically) a means of segmenting one
data set into related chunks. They're
This is the IBM-MAIN discussion list, so let me tread lightly on my z/OS
friends.
It's correct that the O/S does not define "the mainframe". I can't count
the number of times I've cringed at things like "Linux for z/OS"
(instead of "Linux for Z").
I share your frustration over the wrong
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 02:10:11 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz
> wrote:
> Wrong again. When running z/OS under VM for production, multiple 3270
> consoles is the norm.
See-more Putz. What are you saying is wrong with my second sentence that says
"z/OS has many consoles." which applies to
I do like PL/1 very much. PL/C (a subset) was the first language I ever
learned, and although I have used lots of others since then I am still
favorably impressed with PL/1's full control over storage.
Unfortunately I haven't written anything in it in a couple decades, so maybe
the golden
Your inquiry is (understandably) somewhat of a reaction against
unfortunate trends in public thinking.
I will respond to them separately. First is triggered by the subject
line: definition of a mainframe.
Your #2 is a miss.
Hardware *does* make a mainframe: channelized I/O
Let me explain.
Wrong again. When running z/OS under VM for production, multiple 3270 consoles
is the norm.
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Perryman
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 5:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 01:24:04 PM PDT, Phil Smith III
> wrote:
> After changing the virtual console address from 03E1 to 0009
> linemode output went to SECUSER without artifacts
Congrats Phil. Here is what you need to know:
1. z/OS has many consoles. You don't have any consoles
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 15:22:10 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
> Ok, so I'm a software geek, I admit it. But there are tasks for
> which I like PL/1, or VBA, or REXX (or ooRexx), and so on.
>
>"Need"? Maybe not absolutely must have, but they're sure helpful.
>
I thought PL/1 is "The only
Gil asked about Hansen's Law. Different Hansen-this is a guy we worked with.
We also had Weald's Corollary:
Even when it isn't a certificate issue, it's a certificate issue.
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After changing the virtual console address from 03E1 (matching the CONSOLE
entry in CONSOLxx) to 0009 (matching no z/OS console definition) and reIPLing
the guest, the linemode output went to SECUSER without artifacts, as it did on
our old hosting environment.
I'm convinced based on the
Many interesting points here, and even if I were interested in contradicting
them I'm too ignorant of hardware to attempt it. But I will at least say that
I'm very, very glad to have multiple algorithmic languages to write in, not
just COBOL. I reluctantly admit that COBOL has important
Where does "1,600 PCIe slots" come from?
On 7/29/2023 9:28 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
2. Hardware does not make a mainframe. IBM z16 has PCIe and ram which are also
on every modern motherboard. IBM z16 chooses not to include other hardware
(e.g. SATA, IDE, WIFI and more). Motherboards choose not
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 05:25:49 AM PDT, Jason Cai
> wrote:
> The first question is about how to monitor and alert the system issues.
Hi Jason,
I don't think anyone analyzes messages on a daily/weekly/monthly basis because
it is impractical. The majority of the thousands of unique
Can anyone provide the definition of MAINFRAME? The ARS Technica article is
complete nonsense because the mainframe is a state of mind and nothing to do
with reality. Can anyone prove me wrong?
>From:Seymour J Metz
>Yep, "Model 1 displays 480 characters (12 rows of 40 characters)."
>Did you have keyboard issues?
My memory of those ancient history days (early 70s) simply fails too much. I
seem to remember "something" simple we did with the keyboard, but the
details have vanished.
Please paste the messages you get.
You can configure an ATTLS traceI tend to use TRACE(2)
This can be configured in TTLSGroupAction TTLSEnvironmentAction and
TTLSConnectionAction
If syslogd is not running I get messages on the system log
EZD1286I TTLS Error GRPID: 0007 ENVID: 0002
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