Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, You said: "... Cain & Abel which is fictional. ..." Do you have proof for this assertion? Regards, David On 2023-08-14 20:02, Bill Johnson wrote: I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got

Re: USS Features

2023-08-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jon, You said: "...Programmers leave z/OS for Unix in order to be in full control. Why do you think it's difficult to get z/OS programmers. ..." I've been doing MVS Systems Programming  for 40+ years and have not once heard any  programmer leave for more control. Could this be a west-coast

Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-08 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, Here is a quote from Blazing Saddles: "Lozim Geiyen". If you're so enthralled with Europe why not just leave already and stop torturing yourself in this deplorable continent? Regards, David On 2023-08-08 10:38, Bill Johnson wrote: You’re right, Europe is different. They actually

Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-08 Thread David Spiegel
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, +3 ... for Canada's PM. Regards, David On 2023-08-08 11:18, Seymour J Metz wrote: It was obvious in 2016, but we don't have a monopoly on electing bad leaders. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-08 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, AFAIK, this forum is not for discussing US politics. If it were, I would retort. Regards, David On 2023-08-08 10:48, Bill Johnson wrote: I have many times. And heading to Spain in October. Funny story, we went to Switzerland right after trump got elected. Many people asked us WTF are

Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx

2023-08-04 Thread David Spiegel
UA.EDU Subject: Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:21:27 +, David Spiegel wrote: > >My intention is to read a Job and make sure that all datasets are available, >but, the dsnames contain SET variables. > By "read a Job" do you mean that JCL resides in a fil

Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx

2023-08-03 Thread David Spiegel
A.EDU Subject: Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx David, So this is not a run time issue, but a scan of a jcl before submition? ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:21

Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx

2023-08-03 Thread David Spiegel
Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 1:58:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:11:08 +, David Spiegel wrote: > >Does anyone know how to access the JCL SET variables from

Accessing JCL SETs in Rexx

2023-08-03 Thread David Spiegel
Hi, Does anyone know how to access the JCL SET variables from Rexx. Thanks in advance, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

2023-07-27 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jon, A SPECIAL (in the directory) can also be DETACHd. Regards, David On 2023-07-27 20:51, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 04:03:52 PM PDT, David Spiegel wrote: You said: "...Detaching a "console" requires a "DEFINE CONSOLE" ..." AFAI

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

2023-07-27 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jon, You said: "...Detaching a "console" requires a "DEFINE CONSOLE" ..." AFAIK, (since VM R6.0) this statement has never been true. Regards, David On 2023-07-26 23:37, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 07:14:21 PM PDT, Steve Horein wrote: Just out of curiosity, is

Re: Apply job failed GIM240001E for connect direct 6.2

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
. On Tue, 25 Jul, 2023, 11:47 pm David Spiegel, < 0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Satish, Please concatenate 'DGA.SDGAMAC' or equivalent (listed under SDGAMAC Target Zone DDDEF) to Target Zone SYSLIB DDDEF and retry. Regards, David On 2023-07-25 08:10, Sathish Kumar

Re: Apply job failed GIM240001E for connect direct 6.2

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
: Hi David, I have already tried to add SYSLIB CONCAT to SDGAMAC and run this job it's failed with same error. Thanks. On Tue, 25 Jul, 2023, 11:47 pm David Spiegel, < 0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Satish, Please concatenate 'DGA.SDGAMAC' or equivalent (

Re: Apply job failed GIM240001E for connect direct 6.2

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Satish, Please concatenate 'DGA.SDGAMAC'  or equivalent (listed under SDGAMAC Target Zone DDDEF) to Target Zone SYSLIB DDDEF and retry. Regards, David On 2023-07-25 08:10, Sathish Kumar wrote: Hi, I have updated SYSLIB CONCAT SYS1.MODGEN and rerun the job it's failed with same error.

Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
Of David Spiegel Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 11:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives Hi Michael, You said: "...CICS is to IMS as Windows 3.1 is to Windows 10. ..." You're comparing apples and oranges.

Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Michael, You said: "...CICS is to IMS as Windows 3.1 is to Windows 10. ..." You're comparing apples and oranges. (CICS has no native Database portion.) BTW, a lot of the banks, insurance companies etc. are running CICS+DB2. The majority of IMS users need it to support 40+ year old application

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

2023-07-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, z/VM has ALWAYS (since VM R6.0.) had the CONSOLE at 009 in the Directory entry for users by convention. You could DEF 9 3E1 to change it. Regards, David On 2023-07-25 12:00, Phil Smith III wrote: Jon Perryman wrote: Steve says there is 1 exception to the hardware console requiring

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, You said: "...What is the motivation for using CBT 452 STEPLIB, ever? Should CBT withdraw 452 from circulation? ..." The CBT Tape is useful for programming techniques, even if the code isn't actually used. No, it should not be withdrawn. Are you trying to censor it? Regards, David

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jim, Why is "STEPLIB" dangerous? Please explain in detail. Thanks and regards, David On 2023-07-19 13:49, Jim Mulder wrote: Yes, TSOLIB is part of TSO/E and is correctly implemented by ATTACHing subsequent commands with a TASKLIB. The TSO/E developer who was designing TSOLIB wanted to

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Pete, You said: "...Certainly there is nothing that is supported (and that likely includes whatever TSOLIB does ..." It seems as if you're saying that TSOLIB (distributed with z/OS) is potentially not supported. Did I misunderstand? Please explain. Thanks and regards, David On 2023-07-19

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Binyamin AMV"SH, Please see CBT File 452 (and 797). Regards, David On 2023-07-18 11:49, Binyamin Dissen wrote: I am trying to do the equivalent of TSOLIB for BATCH, i.e., dynamically adding loadlibs. I do not have spare parent tasks that I can hang a JLB DCB. It appears that the system is

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tom, Can you workload shift running Jobs from one LPAR to another? (Please note too this customer's Initiator setup is different on every LPAR.) Regards, David On 2023-07-18 09:52, Tom Marchant wrote: In a Sysplex environment it is possible to shift the workload off of one system so that

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Brian, One of my customers decided (many years ago) to upgrade software/apply maintenance once a year (on each of their 4 complexes). There are not enough weekends in the year to do this more frequently (due to other groups doing upgrades and "blocked out" weekends). Regards, David On

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-14 Thread David Spiegel
umber was unique in Canada. My Retain ID had to be changed because someone else (probably an American) already was using my Man Number to LOGON. Regards, David On 2023-07-14 09:45, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 06:43:49 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: EEOC is an American thing. In

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, You said: "...Auditors don't like multiple user ids..." It's not the first time auditors have had illogical ideas. OTOH, 2 or more people sharing a Userid is BAD. Regards, David On 2023-07-14 08:38, Seymour J Metz wrote: Auditors don't like multiple user ids, but sysprogs

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-14 Thread David Spiegel
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 21:56:55 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: When I worked at IBM Canada full time (1994-2002), our TSO Userids were XXn, where n was a person's "man number" (aka employee number). No EEOC. Five

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, When I worked at IBM Canada full time (1994-2002), our TSO Userids were XXn, where n was a person's "man number" (aka employee number). Regards, David On 2023-07-13 20:32, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 20:17:38 -0400, Matt Hogstrom wrote: A place I worked used

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Richard, I worked at a place where the SysProg-in-chief was an arrogant guy from the Former Soviet Union. His Userid was "A". Regards, David On 2023-07-13 19:49, rpinion865 wrote: I worked at a place where the VP didn't like using anything related to names, due to name changes and the

Re: Userid schemes

2023-07-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, I worked at a multi--national food company in the early '90s. Their Userid scheme was first 5 letters of surname, first letter of first name. One guy, Mr. M. Pinchbeck became irate when people kept referring to him (PINCHBM) as "Pinch Bum". I didn't get excited about mine (SPIEGED).

Re: Where does the IHASLMSG mapping macro live?

2023-07-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Mike, Please see: IHASLMSG mapping - IBM Documentation Regards, David On 2023-07-13 10:55, Mike Shaw wrote: Listers, The doc for the SLIP command's MSGID= operand includes this text describing the register

Re: separate a single product into its own CSI

2023-07-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, Please look at the BUILDMCS command. Please see also: https://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu/msg30268.html Regards, David On 2023-07-13 07:49, Bill Giannelli wrote: We have a CSI with multiple products (Db2 QMF QM and HPUNL - High Performance Unload). Is there a way to

Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF

2023-07-05 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Robert, Is the source code available? If yes, how does one get it? Thanks and regards, David On 2023-07-05 09:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To

Re: 0C1 abend

2023-07-04 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Shmuel AMV"SH, My experience has been that when the OPEN fails (e.g. missing/incorrect ALLOCATion), the program gets an x13 ABEND and does not get as far as checking DCBx. Regards, David On 2023-07-04 09:03, Seymour J Metz wrote: * Failing to test DCBOFOPN after OPEN -- Shmuel

Re: z/OSMF

2023-07-02 Thread David Spiegel
List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 8:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Hi Terri, If you have a 14 inch monitor, it is time to invest in your career and get a p

Re: z/OSMF

2023-07-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Terri, If you have a 14 inch monitor, it is time to invest in your career and get a proper monitor (e.g. 27 inch minimum). If you're seeing 3-4 lines, it also means that you're probably using Model 2 emulation (24x80). Model 2 for a SysProg wastes a lot of time with unnecessarily scrolling,

Re: 0C1 abend

2023-07-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Binyamin AMV"SH, My experience with missing DD Statements in HLLs has been x13 ABENDs. Regards, David On 2023-07-02 05:13, Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 08:03:59 -0500 Bill Giannelli wrote: :>How do I resolve a 0C1 abend. what is normally the cause? For high level languages,

Re: How batch create a PDSE2 with Generations?

2023-06-29 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Lionel, SYSDA is a user-defined esoteric group. SYSALLDA, OTOH, encompasses all DASD Units and is built-in to z/OS. Regards, David On 2023-06-26 11:58, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: The OP asked for batch, and I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that he wanted to do it with JCL for a vendor product

Re: PDS/PDSE Member information

2023-06-15 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, LMMSTATS to change the information, LMMDISP to display it. Regards, David On 2023-06-15 11:20, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:10:20 +0100, Jack Zukt wrote: Is there a way to get the PDS/PDSE member information, namely, member/userid/last change date in batch? I have

Re: PDS/PDSE Member information

2023-06-15 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jack, Please see PDS Command Processor (CBT File 182). In particular, the "D" Command (against a member) will give you what you need. If you don't like Public Domain Software, please look at ISPF Services LMMDISP

Re: Q: Transient SVC ?

2023-06-01 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Shmuel AMV"SH, In OS/VS1 it was IEHIOSUP. Regards, David On 2023-06-01 08:33, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's C0 in code pages 37 and 1047. Transient SVC routines are supposed to be refreshable. That's important both for OS/360 SVC transient areas and for the paging of the PLPA in MVS (SVS was

Re: Two related member generation questions

2023-05-31 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, "... Leading? In member names? I was told it was the result of UNPK of a SVC number.  ..." Not leading, but trailing. Regards, David On 2023-05-31 10:55, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in

Re: Two related member generation questions

2023-05-31 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jeremy, "...I've no idea if that is or was correct ..." Have you ever heard of the CSI (Consolidated  Software Inventory)? This/these VSAM Dataset(s) has/have been part of SMP/e since the day it came out in the '80s. Regards, David On 2023-05-30 18:20, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Tue, 30 May

Re: Listing empty HLQs - LISTCAT?

2023-05-16 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Al, "...You need to run through VTOC entries to find any datasets that may be uncatalogued  ..." For Uncatalogued Datasets, you can use: - DCOLLECT by VOLSER )with masking) - VTOC CP (CBT File 112) with masking. (If you want JCL samples, please PM me). Regards, David On 2023-05-16

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Peter, Assuming you  have SDSF, have you considered using its one of its APIs to scan the SYSLOG every n minutes? Regards, David On 2023-05-09 13:55, Farley, Peter wrote: I believe that the CONSOLE facility is authorized and I have no authorization. I have no access to either System

Re: Logical Nor (¬) in ASCII-based code pages?

2023-05-09 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, Tsuris?! ... Maybe farklempt is more apt? (For people of Yeshivish background (like me) Ogmas Nefesh is even closer.) Regards, David On 2023-05-09 00:26, Phil Smith III wrote: Seymour, Since you seem to be getting upset about this academic discussion, I will bow out. No need

Re: TSO command System Rexx

2023-05-07 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Willy, In TSO (unlike PGM=IDCAMS), "EN" is sufficient. Regards, David On 2023-05-07 05:43, Willy Jensen wrote: This will issue any TSO command, but security-wise I think it opens a barn door. Save it as member TSOCMD in your SYSREXX lib. /* general TSO command rexx */

Re: TSO Rexx C2X Incorrect Output

2023-04-27 Thread David Spiegel
it.) Regards, David On 2023-04-27 11:39, Walt Farrell wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:01:06 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: Had I thought (originally) that "Pull" was the issue,. I would've figured it out on my own. Using the tracing functions in REXX to do the debugging, rather than browsing

Re: TSO Rexx C2X Incorrect Output

2023-04-27 Thread David Spiegel
Regards, David On 2023-04-27 09:35, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 06:47:55 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Peter, I figured out the problem. I should have coded Parse Pull to take the record off of the Stack (instead of Pull (which uppercases the record)). Events such as this affir

Re: TSO Rexx C2X Incorrect Output

2023-04-27 Thread David Spiegel
? I used Gilbert Saint-Flour's REXXTRY and got this result: READY REXXTRY SAY C2X('1996160F'X) END 1996160F Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 11:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: TSO Rexx C2X

Re: TSO Rexx C2X Incorrect Output

2023-04-24 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Kolusu, I made sure of that only "D" Records are being processed. Thanks and regards, David On 2023-04-24 12:15, Sri h Kolusu wrote: One statement is: created=C2x(Substr(dcollect.i,105,4)) (In DCOLLECT parlance, this is DCDCREDT). David, One thing you may want to check is that you are

TSO Rexx C2X Incorrect Output

2023-04-24 Thread David Spiegel
Hi, I am writing a TSO Rexx Exec to Parse fields from a DCOLLECT output (VB/32756/32760). One statement is: created=C2x(Substr(dcollect.i,105,4)) (In DCOLLECT parlance, this is DCDCREDT). For any date greater than 2000-01-01, I get the expected result. But, when the field contains x'1999160F'

Re: Edit commands without a macro?

2023-04-21 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Kolusu, 1) You could use IPOUPDTE also. 2) Does File manager do "intelligent changes" like ISPF Edit? (If Source String and Target String are different lengths, does the "line" beyond the change get shifted, or, if there multiple blanks, not necessarily) Regards, David On 2023-04-21

Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates

2023-04-21 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, You could treat JCL (with line numbers on) as a ++MAC in SMP. Each "PTF" (++MACUPD) could be IEBUPDTE Control cards (e.g. ./ CHANGE followed by numbered "cards". Regards, David On 2023-04-21 08:51, Bill Giannelli wrote: SCLM seems geared towards COBOL and PLI not JCL? On Fri, 21

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, Please see CBT Tape File 093. (cbttape.org) Regards, David From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: April 20, 2023 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rexx Exec

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, - They Keys are all Upper Case. - The Keys are all not longer than 8 characters - DYNALLOC for each member. Thanks and regards, David On 2023-04-20 10:30, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 13:19:54 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote: If you need to split a file by a key into various

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Kolusu, Thank you for the information. Do you have any working samples (or know where to find them)? Regards, David On 2023-04-20 09:19, Sri h Kolusu wrote: David, If you need to split a file by a key into various members of a pds , it is quite simple to do with DFSORT and performing the

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Peter, There are approximately 5,000,000 records sorted by primary key in a "flat file". The idea is to create PDS members using the primary key as member name. So for member X, each record in PDS(X) has a primary Key of X. For each member created, an "epllog" is also produced (inside the

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-19 Thread David Spiegel
.* * * *** * * Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, April 19th, 2023 at 2:38 PM, Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:21:58 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Kolusu, Can you please supply an example, or, point me to a  website that has one? Thanks and regards, David On 2023-04-19 14:03, Sri h Kolusu wrote: 3) Something else DFSORT can do simultaneous member write to PDSE (not PDS) and it will haeve better performance than rexx. Thanks, Kolusu

Re: Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, If I understand correctly ... "ALLOC F(X) DA('MY.PDS') SH REU" Do i=1 to n    "ALLOC F(Y) DA('MY.PDS('member')') SH REU    "EXECIO * DISKW (FINIS End Is this correct? Thanks and regards, David On 2023-04-19 14:10, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 1

Rexx Exec to Build 10,000 PDS Members: ALLOC vs ISPF Services vs ?

2023-04-19 Thread David Spiegel
Hi, I am writing a Rexx Exec (Batch TSO) to build 10,000+ members in a PDS (FB/159/27984). The average member size is 900 lines. In terms of performance, which method should I use?: 1) ALLOC ... EXECIO DISKW 2) LMOPEN ... LMINIT ... LMPUT 3) Something else 4) Makes no difference Thank you in

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, You said: "... and I’ve been threatened by locals who don’t like my political views. ..." Have you ever considered the possibility that your "political views" are not the only reason they don't like you? {:}-> Regards, David On 2023-04-10 12:25, Bill Johnson wrote: I should have

Re: Call by value, final

2023-04-09 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Jeremy, Maybe SMPSCDS? I do not recall (I've used both extensively) EVER seeing member names like that in SMPPTS and SMPSTS Regards, David On 2023-04-09 08:43, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, at 11:10, Seymour J Metz wrote: Are you sure that you're not thinking of SMP through

Re: concatenated SMPPTS datasets

2023-03-29 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, Create a DDDEF/Dataset for SMPPTS1, SMPPTS2 etc. Be sure to add the DDDEFs to the Global, Target and DLIB Zones. Regards, David On 2023-03-29 12:10, Bill Giannelli wrote: So, I have alot of maintenance to receive and am blowing out on SMPPTS. within SMPe can I concatenate a second

Re: Stop the ragging on COBOL please [was: RE: ASM call by value]

2023-03-28 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, You said: "...It seems to help with maintenance and updating of large, complex commercial programs..." Back in the mid-'80s, I used to support a 3-letter software vendor's Payroll package. The source was unreadable because of the amount and size of copybooks. When compiled, the

Re: ASM call by value

2023-03-26 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tony, IIRC, the pointer to structure (or array), is passed as a value like anything else. Yes,  the value passed allows the programmer to access the structure or array, BUT, it's still a value like anything else (and will not be modified upon return). Regards, David On 2023-03-26 18:33,

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Andrew, This reminds me of the time I had temporarily been part of a team to do an ACF2->RACF conversion at a large Canadian bank. (That is a whole story in itself and almost cost me my IBM job.) Anyway ... There was this customer person, who in every meeting kept pronouncing it Ra-KEFF.

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-17 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Guillaume, I've worked with many Quebeckers who say G-C-L for JCL. Regards, David On 2023-03-17 15:41, Boesel Guillaume wrote: In France, we say mostly "céé I céé éss" ("I" like in "ship" and not like "Hi"). Few say "kicks". Guillaume

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: USS zlib issues

2023-03-17 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tony, Here is my zPDT ADCD z/OS  V2.5 Directory: $ cd /usr/lpp/hzc/lib $ ls -al total 4560 drwxr-xr-x   3 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Sep  7  2022 . drwxr-xr-x   4 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Apr 19  2021 .. drwxr-xr-x   2 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Apr 19  2021 IBM -rwxr-xr-x   2 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 

Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
2.4 On 2023-03-16 12:03, Dave Jousma wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:44:57 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: I already included it: ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - SMF82ITE ** ASMA435I Record 273 in SYS1.MACLIB(IHBOPLTX) on volume: A4RES1 You dont say what version of z/OS you are running

Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Kolusu, It Assembled and linked. Thank you! Regards, David On 2023-03-16 12:00, Sri h Kolusu wrote: ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - SMF82ITE ** ASMA435I Record 273 in SYS1.MACLIB(IHBOPLTX) on volume: A4RES1 Check this link

Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 10:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, //*YSLIBDD DISP=SHR,DSN=I3D5403.MJCUTIL.MACLIB $COMMON //SYSLIBDD DISP=SHR,

Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
s did you use? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 10:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

Re: Processing SMF Type 15 records help

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Allan, I tried Assembling DAF recently and the Assembly failed. (I had a discussion with Sam Golob about it.) Regards, David On 2023-03-16 09:49, Allan Staller wrote: Classification: Confidential I strongly suggest the use of the DAF utility. CBT Tape file 094 (?). -Original

Re: linklist error at IPL

2023-03-16 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Richard, Assuming that your "console" uses software emulation (e.g. PCOMM), you could code a "Screen Scraper" to "see" messages and take action. Regards, David On 2023-03-16 09:01, Richard McIntosh wrote: Is there anyway to get alerted to a linklist error duing the IPL process. The

Re: not using SMPe

2023-03-14 Thread David Spiegel
ay long and reminded me of The Flintstones' character.) (I always say about banks (and I've worked at a bunch) that if they were even slightly intelligent, how much more they could earn for their shareholders.) Regards, David On 2023-03-14 21:44, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 3/14/2023 6:05 PM, David Spi

Re: not using SMPe

2023-03-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Ed, I knew that there were means of ensuring integrity and that's why I asked the question. Regards, David On 2023-03-14 18:52, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 3/14/2023 3:07 PM, David Spiegel wrote: I went over to the 2nd in command VM guy and asked why I would have to wait a week for delivery

Re: not using SMPe

2023-03-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, This reminds me of a story ... I say that a lot, just ask my kids. Way back in the late late '80s, I worked at a national Canadian bank. They had been used to getting tapes from IBM when they ordered maintenance (for both VM and MVS) and would not even consider VNET compressed

Re: not using SMPe

2023-03-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, If there are companies that do this, they're certifiably insane. Imagine opening a case with IBM. The IBM person asks: "Is PTF AB12345 APPLYd?" Regards, David On 2023-03-14 08:40, Bill Giannelli wrote: Just curious, is it possible and do some companies NOT use SMPe for z/OS

Re: STP timer information under z/OS?

2023-03-13 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Joe, You said: "...And you can get info from CLOCKXX in SYS1.PARMLIB. .." A lot of companies lock everyone except z/OS SysProgs out of the PARMLIB concatenation. Regards, David On 2023-03-13 07:05, Joe Monk wrote: You can also use the STCKSYNC macro...

Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, Since you asked for bad backup stories ... In the mid '80s, I was working at the Canadian head office of a multinational food company. We were using 6250 BPI Tapes on STK 4520 drives. My boss, who also managed operations, decided that when tapes would get physical errors, the operator

Re: zOSMF

2023-03-07 Thread David Spiegel
ssion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi Terri, Maybe you mean OS2/MVS 3.8(J)? That could've been circa 1986. (I also have a similar progre

Re: zOSMF

2023-03-07 Thread David Spiegel
. Then XA/ESA/OS390/z-OS Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:47

Re: zOSMF

2023-03-07 Thread David Spiegel
ylvfK%2BpM6FOH4ozlxklu3YNJn8M%3D=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi

Re: zOSMF

2023-03-06 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Terri, "...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this? (I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.) Regards, David On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote: When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30 minute task. So adding z/OSMF was

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with ...". That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their best interest. How many more decades

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, You said: "...JAVA is a good example of this. The mainframe's JAVA runtime is written to exploit machine assists and hardware instructions that a PC doesn't have..." Every time I've watched mainframe Java since OS/90 V1, it has been painfully slow. Have you ever watched a WAS startup?

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, You said: "...where no externally security breach has occurred…" If you're saying that no mainframe has ever been hacked, I am certain that statement is not true. The one in particular which comes to mind, involved incompetent security admin staff, READ Access to the RACF Database and

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, You said: "... REXX is a niche language that's only used to any great extend on mainframes and it's popularity is constantly eroding. The mainframe needs to keep pace with the industry.  ..." 1) " used to any great extend on mainframes ..."Last time I looked, this is a MAINFRAME

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-22 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Brian, "... Originally ..." maybe 30 or more years ago? (Incidentally, I started with SMP4 (before 1983). I don't remember any ISPF Panels for that.) I do RACF in Batch so that it (almost) self-documents and is repeatable. ISPF Panels are not (easily) repeatable. Regards, David On

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-21 Thread David Spiegel
pecially when I was the person in charge. And I knew what the CBT tape was and is Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From: "David Spiegel" <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 21-Feb-23 6:09:15 Subject: Re: How long for an experie

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-21 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Brian, You said: "...so why would they question my use of anything I need in order to perform my job efficiently?  ..." My answer is that the people in charge are by-the-book mentality and I can imagine them using ISPF Panels for everything from RACF to SMP/e. (At one of my jobs, the MVS

Re: Q: Where is LISTDSI kept? A: Not where you think.

2023-02-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi R'Tzvi AMV"SH, You said: "...Be careful. If you meant a fully qualified dataset name, you need to code this. ..." That's true unless the user has issued: PROFILE NOPREFix Regards,. David On 2023-02-20 20:32, Hobart Spitz wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, 17:07 Steely.Mark, wrote: Here is a

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Leonard, You said: "... a manager who thought if he couldn't see you, you weren't working ..." This is the government mentality I referred to earlier. Here is one other weird fact .., the per capita insanity (in Yiddish M'shugaas) rises from municipal to state/provincial to federal. (I've

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-20 Thread David Spiegel
Paul Brand and Philip Yancey */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 06:49 I have seen many job ads which say "remote until COVID". This means that they are willing to trust my work out of the office while

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-20 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tom, I've been saying this (i.e. matter of trust) for many years. I also say that any (potential) employer who demands that a SysProg work on-site is being illogical. I have seen many job ads which say "remote until COVID". This means that they are willing to trust my work out of the

Re: [EXTERNAL] CLIST for APF and link list datasets

2023-02-16 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, In IOF: MVS D PROG,APF Regards, David On 2023-02-16 06:23, Bill Giannelli wrote: thank you all for your responses and feedback! We dont have SDSF we have IOF. I dont know if IOF has features to display things like APF authorizations. thanks Bill

Re: [EXTERNAL] CLIST for APF and link list datasets

2023-02-14 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, Maybe OMEGAMON or SYSVIEW? Regards, David On 2023-02-14 17:04, Bill Giannelli wrote: no, it had a menu of almost all the entries in z/OS with APF and LLA amongst them. It might have been a third party software

Re: Transmitting SMF records

2023-01-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, Do you DFSMSdss->AMATERSE->XMIT large amounts of SMF Data? (Probably not.) I would never try to XMIT a Dataset like this (assuming that you could even have enough space for the XMIT Output.) Not only that , but BLKSIZE=3120 is inefficient and really slow (and with no Transmit Exit,

Re: Changing the INTRAY parameter of an output file

2022-12-29 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gadi AMV"SH, Program Rexx to do it via SDSF API calls? Shabbat Shalom Regards, David On 2022-12-29 07:33, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: I know I can do it in SDSF, but the job in question can have tens of output files, and I'm sure to miss one. As opposed to other actions done through SDSF, this

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