Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-25 Thread Harris Morgenstern
Just to summarize: MODIFY AXR,SR STOPTSO - Prevents TSO=YES execs from running and eliminates the AXRxx address spaces STOP AXR - Stops all System REXX activity i.e. the AXR address space + AXRxx address spaces all terminate Both of these commands wait for in-progress work to complete.

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-25 Thread R.S.
Amen to that. However I understood Steve's word as a sarcasm. Maybe I was wrong. Obviously I don't like CANCEL, FORCE ARM and FORCE in normal procedures. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 25.08.2020 o 04:10, Joel C. Ewing pisze: It's part of that generic MVS principle from at least

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Barbara Nitz
>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm > >FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way... Must have come in via ptf after I downloaded the manuals when z/OS 2.4 came out. My versions don't show it. Just tried F

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Joel C. Ewing
It's part of that generic MVS principle from at least the 1970's, if not earlier, that things that can be shut down cleanly before an IPL should be, to minimize partially completed transactions, partial updates to a collection of related data sets, database updates that haven't yet reached a

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:05:31 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: >I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an >IPL. IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes. > But could they shut down in an orderly fashion? I have long wondered that the OS doesn't throw SIGTERM

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Steve Smith
I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an IPL. IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes. sas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Tom Conley wrote: > > Does it only work in V2R4? I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C AXRxx > from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone. We’re still at 2.3, and I tried it and it worked. I don’t apply PTFs for z/OS and can’t say for sure,

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/24/2020 8:27 AM, Tom Conley wrote: Ed, Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C AXRxx from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone. I have been using FORCE AXR,ARM since SystemRexx first came out in z/OS 1.9 and it has always shut down the

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Harris Morgenstern
As of V2R2, you can issue F AXR,SR STOPTSO to terminate all AXRxx address spaces; this cmd is useful if you're using System REXX to terminate the primary subsystem. Any future AXREXX requests issued with TSO=YES will be rejected. Harris Morgenstern z/OS Storage Management and System

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Tom Conley
On 8/24/2020 11:11 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote: As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully documented

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote: As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully documented here:

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Dana Mitchell
Barbara, P AXR does appear in z/OS System Commands SA38-0666-40 and does show up in my recently downloaded kc4z V2.4. As far as the command taking down AXRxx's, it sounds like it will: The STOP AXR command terminates System REXX in a graceful manner, waiting for active requests to

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-24 Thread Tom Conley
Harris, that's fine if it were *my* REXX that is causing the AXRxx to get started. Nobody except the *IBM* Health checker is currently using System REXX in my installation. I have no control whatsoever over TSO=YES/NO, as I am guessing the TSO=YES is needed for whatever health checker wants

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-23 Thread Barbara Nitz
>The AXR address space (System REXX) is started with SUB=MSTR. REXX execs >that >that are started via AXREXX TSO=NO, run in the AXR address space. On the >other hand, >REXX execs that are started via AXREXX TSO=YES run in a AXRnn address >space >which is started under the primary

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2020-08-20 15:33, Lionel B Dyck wrote: And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started now? What's the problem you're trying to solve? -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905)

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/21/2020 1:02 AM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -) Thanks for that. I see that functionality was added fairly recently. Our automation for this was established a long, long time ago. -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Harris Morgenstern
The AXR address space (System REXX) is started with SUB=MSTR. REXX execs that that are started via AXREXX TSO=NO, run in the AXR address space. On the other hand, REXX execs that are started via AXREXX TSO=YES run in a AXRnn address space which is started under the primary subsystem. If

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Lionel Dyck
Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 7:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ?? At our house, System REXX already runs under MSTR (under 2.2 and 2.4); we never did anything to make it that way that I remember. I'm more curious what you all did

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Jackson, Rob
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Itschak Mugzach
AXR Stop command introduced in z/os 2.2. בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 11:13, מאת Mike Shorkend ‏< mike.shork...@gmail.com>: > STOP AXR or P AXR to stop system rexx, only came around in z/OS 2.4. Anyone > not yet there will have to use the force command. > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 11:02, Itschak

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Mike Shorkend
STOP AXR or P AXR to stop system rexx, only came around in z/OS 2.4. Anyone not yet there will have to use the force command. On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 11:02, Itschak Mugzach < 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -) > >

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -) בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 6:48, מאת Barbara Nitz ‏: > >Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to > get? > > Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so > it doesn't screw

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-21 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation. That would require RACF to allow automation to issue a force command (yes, I know I can set it MVS.FORCEARM.STC.AXR*.* specifically). I have been at great pains to install a policy where Automation is not even allowed to cancel,

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ?? > > On 8/20/2020 8:47 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote: > >> Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get? > > Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so > > i

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/20/2020 8:47 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote: Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get? Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so it doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do NOT show up on a D A,L

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get? Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so it doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do NOT show up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get? ITschak בתאריך יום ה׳, 20 באוג׳ 2020, 22:33, מאת Lionel B Dyck ‏: > And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started > now? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Lionel B. Dyck < > Website:

Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are the advantage of running systemrexx under the mstr subsys? ITs hak בתאריך יום ה׳, 20 באוג׳ 2020, 22:33, מאת Lionel B Dyck ‏: > And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started > now? > > > > Thanks in advance. > >

Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

2020-08-20 Thread Lionel B Dyck
And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started now? Thanks in advance. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely