CCA (was Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube)

2013-03-21 Thread Frank Swarbrick
, March 20, 2013 6:41 AM >Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube > >Two points... > >(1)  Remember that when IBM invented CCA back in the late 1980s, there really >were no other HSMs - thus, there were no other crypto architectures in the >banking world to

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >(as an aside, after power-on/test sequence ... those circuits get destroyed). Destroyed after such sequence? I'm having trouble swallowing your statement. ;-D If you, for example, do that in the factory just to test it out before shipping to the customer, it is destr

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Peter Eggebeen
e is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the > term generically. > > = > = > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:41:54 -0400 > > From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > &g

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) writes: > Correct. Hardware Security Module is the more generic term. > > Host Security Module is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the term > generically. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#1 IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tub

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread J R
Correct. Hardware Security Module is the more generic term. Host Security Module is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the term generically. = = > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:41:54 -0400 > From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread zMan
HARDWARE Security Module. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, J R wrote: > Host Security Module. > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:52:04 -0500 > > From: elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za > > Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread J R
Host Security Module. > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:52:04 -0500 > From: elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za > Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Todd Arnold wrote: > > > no other HSMs - > > vendor's HSM arch

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Todd Arnold wrote: > no other HSMs - > vendor's HSM architecture, What is HSM in this context? Of course, I searched before posting, but found over 270 ambiguous definitions... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Todd Arnold
Two points... (1) Remember that when IBM invented CCA back in the late 1980s, there really were no other HSMs - thus, there were no other crypto architectures in the banking world to be "compatible" with. I suppose other vendors who came along and developed HSMs could have adopted CCA, but th

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-19 Thread Frank Swarbrick
there were "systems" outside of those by IBM that supported what I might call "CCA conforming sharing of keys". > > From: Phil Smith >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:43 PM >Subject: Re: IBM Mainf

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-19 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Thanks.  I had assume "common" to mean that it was common across vendors.  Apparently it is common only across IBM platforms. > > From: Todd Arnold >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: IBM

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-17 Thread Phil Smith
Frank Swarbrick wrote: >I don't mean the applications that use it, but rather the implementations of >CCA itself. I've only found ICSF and CCA for Linux on IBM System z. >Since CCA is meant to be "common" I was wondering if it was implemented by >anyone outside of IBM itself. Ah. I don't see th

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-17 Thread Todd Arnold
> I've only found ICSF and CCA for Linux on IBM System z. > Since CCA is meant to be "common" I was wondering if it was implemented by > anyone outside of IBM itself. I don't know of any non-IBM products that are designed to support CCA, but it is common to all the IBM platforms. You've apparen

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
> From: Phil Smith >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:56 PM >Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube > >Frank Swarbrick wrote: >>This reminds me of something I've wondered.  Are they any non-IBM products >&g

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-15 Thread Phil Smith
Frank Swarbrick wrote: >This reminds me of something I've wondered. Are they any non-IBM products >that support the Common Cryptographic Architecture? Define "support". Lots of products use ICSF. Lots of products use various CCA-provided services, on various platforms. So...what do you really

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
This reminds me of something I've wondered.  Are they any non-IBM products that support the Common Cryptographic Architecture? > > From: Todd Arnold >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:42 AM >Subject: Re: IBM M

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
arno...@us.ibm.com (Todd Arnold) writes: > IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. > > 1977 – IBM 3845 DES encryption unit > > 1979 – IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added > Triple-DES >(yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!)

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Phil Smith
Todd Arnold wrote: IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. >1977 - IBM 3845 DES encryption unit >1979 - IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added >Triple-DES > (yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!) >1989 - IBM Transaction Secur

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Todd Arnold
IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. 1977 – IBM 3845 DES encryption unit 1979 – IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added Triple-DES (yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!) 1989 – IBM Transaction Security System (TSS) which in