Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-13 Thread Pommier, Rex
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2) ? The BUNCH machine's I'm familiar with were somewhat earlier, and didn't have removable disks. What machine and drive was that? FWIW, I know something about all five but have

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
f Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2) Gee, this is more of a nostalgia thread than most ... My very first programming job, the tape librarian quit. (Remember tape

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-13 Thread Pommier, Rex
Mills Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2) Gee, this is more of a nostalgia thread than most ... My very first programming job, the tape librarian quit. (Remember tape libraries and

Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-12 Thread Mike Shaw
1981 - dual 370/168s MP'ed together. A sysprog coworker applied maintenance to AbendAid, then left town for the weekend. Turns out he linked RTM in the nucleus incorrectly and the scheduled Sunday night IPL failed with a disabled wait state. We can't find the FDR/SAR tape backup of the sysres.

Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-12 Thread Charles Mills
Gee, this is more of a nostalgia thread than most ... My very first programming job, the tape librarian quit. (Remember tape libraries and librarians and manual tape management?). Our boss was too cheap to hire a replacement with any overlap in employment dates. So the new woman started with

Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, Since you asked for bad backup stories ... In the mid '80s, I was working at the Canadian head office of a multinational food company. We were using 6250 BPI Tapes on STK 4520 drives. My boss, who also managed operations, decided that when tapes would get physical errors, the operator

Re: Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-11 Thread Bob Bridges
Anything I write for a client, I take a backup home, even though some HR folks may consider that a violation of confidentiality or copyright or something so I don't ever do it and I never said I did and anyway you can't prove nuthin'. But if it gets destroyed at work, let me know; I have a very

Bad backup stories (was: Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2)

2023-03-11 Thread Phil Smith III
Since we're swapping bad backup stories. I'm at a small mainframe vendor, mid-90s. Data center manager quits with no notice because boy genius sociopath CFO tell him at the last minute that he can't take long-planned, prepaid vacation trip because CFO wants him there for something stupid. This

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-11 Thread Laurence Chiu
A client I am working with uses Safeguarded Copy, a feature in IBM Copy Services Manager on the DS8K SANS On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 12:44 PM Attila Fogarasi wrote: > Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which > would protect you against ransomware. > > On Fri, Mar 3,

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-11 Thread Charles Mills
In the early 70's I had a client -- large insurance company -- that was running DOS on a 360/50. At some point they lost a 2314 volume. When they restored from backup the restored volume was unusable. Investigation revealed that for some reason lost in the fog of time the sysprog who had set up

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-11 Thread Tom Brennan
There was a magazine article maybe in the 90's that appeared to be a news report about a company that went through something like you described - systems down, won't IPL, backup disks corrupted, backup tapes deleted or corrupted, even documentation gone I think. Then about the 3rd paragraph

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Leonard D Woren
It's actually much more complex than that.  Here's a little-known story from a place I used to used to work some decades back.  This did not happen on an MVS system, but some other vendor's system with those letters in a different order.  One day that system crashed, I think for no apparent

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Attila Fogarasi wrote: >Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which >would protect you against ransomware. Tommy Tsui wrote: >Any recommendation https://mediacenter.ibm.com/media/+IBM+Z+Cyber+Vault+Technical+Introduction/1_ug97n0p3

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Colin Paice
Does it protect you from ransomware? It gets you back to a good backup. It depends on how often you backup - and having ransomware means you might lose all changes since the last backup so unless the database is read only - you are likely to lose some data. On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 23:44, Attila

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-09 Thread Tommy Tsui
Any recommendation 「Attila Fogarasi 」在 2023年3月10日 週五,上午7:44 寫道: > Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which > would protect you against ransomware. > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Tommy Tsui wrote: > > > Hi all. > > We are studying to build the tertiary

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-09 Thread Attila Fogarasi
Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which would protect you against ransomware. On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Tommy Tsui wrote: > Hi all. > We are studying to build the tertiary backup. In fact, is it possible to > hack the VSAM dataset during online period, is

Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-03 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 10:27:20 +0800 Tommy Tsui wrote: :>Hi all. :>We are studying to build the tertiary backup. In fact, is it possible to :>hack the VSAM dataset during online period, is there any policy to protect :>VSAM datasets ? VSAM is simply a file. Standard file protections apply. If you

Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-02 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all. We are studying to build the tertiary backup. In fact, is it possible to hack the VSAM dataset during online period, is there any policy to protect VSAM datasets ? Thanks for sharing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /