Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-04 Thread Charles Mills
No offense was intended. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Gould Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-03 Thread Edward Gould
> On Aug 3, 2017, at 1:24 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht > wrote: > SNIP > I have seen that scenario a few times in my career. Something breaks or is > causing high CPU, excessive memory usage and swapping or slow transaction > response time. Result - everyo

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-03 Thread Edward Gould
> On Aug 3, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > >>> The following Christmas party I got brave and went over to the CEO and got >>> into a conversation about the issue. > >> Wow! You're that brave! > > Liquid courage > > CM Actually, no. I haven’t had a drink in over 30 years. Ed -

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-03 Thread Charles Mills
>>The following Christmas party I got brave and went over to the CEO and got >>into a conversation about the issue. > Wow! You're that brave! Liquid courage CM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Edward Gould wrote: >The following Christmas party I got brave and went over to the CEO and got >into a conversation about the issue. Wow! You're that brave! >... The VP said that is all we don’t have to upgrade our machine? ... I said >one caveat, and I saw everyone look at me, and I said t

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Edward Gould
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 3:40 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht > wrote: > > Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > >> BTW: I would take care to inform my manager less officially (and keep the >> notification in my archive). From personal experience I'm aware how >> pointless is this ;-) > > Or wait for next audit or

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported

2017-08-02 Thread Timothy Sipples
Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >Wait first for fireworks/drama, then wait for your retirement or >dismissal letter... ;-) Kees Vernooij wrote: >Saying: if you knew this, why didn't you tell us? Yes, I agree. You really don't want the "Why didn't you tell us?" question after something bad happens. (Un

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Mark Jacobs - Listserv
Been there too. Got the t-shirt and everything myself several times over a 38 year career. Mark Jacobs John McKown August 2, 2017 at 8:42 AM ​Hum, around here when I "poke my nose in where it doesn't belong", it tends to get whacked. My immediate manager

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > John McKown wrote: > >Yes. And hopefully the ones whose job this is are doing that. > >I'm a z/OS sysprog > > It is your job, too. You just write (yes write) something like: > ​Hum, around here when I "poke my nose in where it doesn't

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >> >BTW: I would take care to inform my manager less officially (and keep the >> >notification in my archive). From personal experience I'm aware how >> >pointless is this ;-) >> Or wait for next audit or weird abend / hacking attempt, then tell manglers,

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht > Sent: 02 August, 2017 10:40 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >BTW: I would take care to inform my manager less officially (and keep the >notification in my archive). From personal experience I'm aware how pointless >is this ;-) Or wait for next audit or weird abend / hacking attempt, then tell manglers, supervisors and auditors.

Re: Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2017-08-02 o 09:52, Timothy Sipples pisze: John McKown wrote: Yes. And hopefully the ones whose job this is are doing that. I'm a z/OS sysprog It is your job, too. You just write (yes write) something like: - - - - August 2, 2017 Dear (My Manager): I would like to make you aware

Security, Other Risks When Unsupported (Was: z14 and z/OS 2.3 Blog Post)

2017-08-02 Thread Timothy Sipples
John McKown wrote: >Yes. And hopefully the ones whose job this is are doing that. >I'm a z/OS sysprog It is your job, too. You just write (yes write) something like: - - - - August 2, 2017 Dear (My Manager): I would like to make you aware that we are no longer receiving security-related an