Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Seymour J Metz wrote: >Yes, there have been and are far too many incompetent auditor, but there are >good auditors and a good auditor is your friend. Indeed. I still wish I have a good auditor like the one who introduced me to Beta88, Vanguard and Consul (now zSecure) many years ago. With his h

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Allan Staller
agreed -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Yes, there have been and are far too many incompetent auditor, but there are

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Allan Staller wrote: >I have not seen a competent auditor for the mainframe in about 30 years. You're late. ;-) Some auditor-bashing text in IBM-MAIN over the years:

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Charles Mills
For all I know he was the only one and he just retired. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Allan Staller
I didn't say there weren't any, I just haven't seen them. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Then you sho

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Charles Mills
:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS I have not seen a competent auditor for the mainframe in about 30 years. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discus

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Allan Staller wrote: >I have not seen a competent auditor for the mainframe in about 30 years. You're late. ;-) Some auditor-bashing text in IBM-MAIN over the years: My own pondering about auditors: "In a galaxy far far away on a very lonely planet full of hungry aliens some centuries ago,

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-23 Thread Allan Staller
I have not seen a competent auditor for the mainframe in about 30 years. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Aside from

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
it's a really bad idea. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wang Rong Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 5:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: get ECSA key 7 storage unde

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Barkow, Eileen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS I actually have run a few CICS programs in supervisor state using

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
18, 2018 9:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS The SVC code just sets the JSCBAUTH bit on for a few nanoseconds while the user code runs and then sets if off in response to another SVC call to do so. I do not run it any more but it really came in

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
d it's not terribly difficult to reverse engineer them. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Barkow, Eileen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Packer
mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Wang Rong To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 19/10/2018 10:50 Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Hi Binyamin, Thanks for your sugge

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-19 Thread Wang Rong
Hi Binyamin, Thanks for your suggestion, I will consider doing that via batch/started task. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
essage- :>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wang Rong :>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:09 AM :>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :>Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS :> :>Hi Binyamin, :> :> Many thanks to your quick replay. :> I'm tr

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Jim Mulder
Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY > From: "Anthony Thompson" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 10/19/2018 01:54 AM > Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS > Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" > > The SDS

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Anthony Thompson
1 Robinson Sent: Friday, 19 October 2018 1:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS The SDSF SVC had some 'integrity checks' that would complicate any spoofing effort, but it was always a bad idea. Good riddance. Woe be to any similar attempt at

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Wang Rong
al Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wang Rong Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Hi Binyamin, Many thanks to your quick replay. I'm trying to capture/send DB2 log record

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Wayne Driscoll
2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS On 10/18/2018 10:50 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: > the logic to retrieve log records via IFI is highly specialized and requires > z/OS waits, something not to be done in CICS programming. That 'wait' restric

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Barkow, Eileen
PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS On 10/18/2018 10:50 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: > the logic to retrieve log records via IFI is highly specialized and requires > z/OS waits, something not to be done in CICS programming. That 'wait'

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 10/18/2018 10:50 AM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: the logic to retrieve log records via IFI is highly specialized and requires z/OS waits, something not to be done in CICS programming. That 'wait' restriction was lifted *years* ago with the advent of the OPENAPI and L8 TCBs . Without that major a

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Wayne Driscoll
- All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wang Rong Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 5:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Hi Binyamin, Many thanks to your quick replay

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Rob Scott
MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:08:33 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >In order to call the SVC a programmer would have to know

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Charles Mills
f Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:08:33 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >In order to call the SVC a programmer would have to know about it first as >well as have a need for it;

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
ERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:08:33 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >In order to call the SVC a programmer would have to know about it first >as well as have a need for it; neither of which applied to any CICS >application prog

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:08:33 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >In order to call the SVC a programmer would have to know about it first as >well as have a need for it; >neither of which applied to any CICS application programmers. > Someone breaking into your systems would always have a need for so

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:08:33 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >In order to call the SVC a programmer would have to know about it first as >well as have a need for it; >neither of which applied to any CICS application programmers. It isn't particularly difficult to take a dump, and search the SVC Tab

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Charles Mills
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS That SVC is a *huge* system integrity risk . I would advise that you re-think that design ASAP. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Barkow, Eileen
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS I'm glad to hear you don't run it. It's n

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Jousma, David
d implore you to NOT give this to anyone if they ask for it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **D

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Rob Scott
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS You need to be supervisor state to do this. Using CICS just

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS Eileen, that code sounds suspiciously like a huge security vulnerability? Am I missing something

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Jousma, David
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS You need to be supervisor state to do this. Using CICS just because it is easier is a wrong decision. But if you are sold on using CICS, you would need to write a SVC routine to actually do the work and have your transaction supply a CICS

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS You need to be supervisor state to do this. Using CICS just because it is

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
You need to be supervisor state to do this. Using CICS just because it is easier is a wrong decision. But if you are sold on using CICS, you would need to write a SVC routine to actually do the work and have your transaction supply a CICS area as a buffer and the SVC routine will do the IFI work a

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Rob Scott
, all concepts of "easy" coding vanish and you are one instruction away from an unscheduled IPL. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wang Rong Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: get ECSA key 7 sto

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Wang Rong
Hi Binyamin, Many thanks to your quick replay. I'm trying to capture/send DB2 log record using IFI call. The storage requirement is ECSA key 7 storage: "The return area for monitor programs that issue IFCID 0306 requests must reside either in ECSA key 7 storage or in the 64-bit commo

Re: get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 04:24:35 -0500 Wang Rong wrote: :>Hi all, :> :> Hello everyone, I'm a new commer. :> I try to get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS, I can to that in batch program by using STORAGE OBTAIN/FREE macro; but I read some articles say the GETMAIN/FREEMAIN

get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS

2018-10-18 Thread Wang Rong
Hi all, Hello everyone, I'm a new commer. I try to get ECSA key 7 storage under CICS, I can to that in batch program by using STORAGE OBTAIN/FREE macro; but I read some articles say the GETMAIN/FREEMAIN macro should not be used under CICS, I guess this rule applys to st