That is correct sir.
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It is said that running the same DB2 batch job on an z/OS consumes more
CPU, or in other words that z/VM if far more economical in use of CPU
resources. Is that a fact and if so, can anyone give me a good indication
about the factor z/OS is more expensive...
regards,
Koen.
KBC Group
ICT /
On Tuesday, 11/07/2006 at 02:01 CET, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is said that running the same DB2 batch job on an z/OS consumes more
CPU, or in other words that z/VM if far more economical in use of CPU
resources. Is that a fact and if so, can anyone give me a good
indication
about the
Loved the article..laughed my backside off. Loved the last part about
windows. I'll have to give that to the CIO ..rememeber the one wanting to
run windows on the IFL.
Mace
Does anyone still use TFTP (or BOOTP, for that matter) on VM? Both came
to prominence in the days of the IBM Network Station. The ol' curiosity
bump is itching
Regards,
Alan
Alan Altmark
Sr. Software Engineer
IBM z/VM Development
True, as long as you have not used SET IPLPARMS to change IPL parameters
that might cause a different version of a module with the same name to
be found on another PARM disk.
John Franciscovich
z/VM Development
That is correct sir.
Does the soft IPL done following an ABEND act the same when
Is there a way to track who is using the VM ftp client and the target
server address? We have a need to find who/what is ftping to specific
servers so that they can be converted to a new address and/or solution.
I was wondering if there is or could be a way to write an accounting record
or
True, as long as you have not used SET IPLPARMS to change IPL parameters
that might cause a different version of a module with the same name to
be found on another PARM disk.
John Franciscovich
z/VM Development
That is correct sir.
Does the soft IPL done following an ABEND act the same when
Is there a way to track who is using the VM ftp client and the target
server address? We have a need to find who/what is ftping to specific
servers so that they can be converted to a new address and/or
solution.
CMAP would do that (if you have it), although it won't catch the case
when user
Does anyone still use TFTP (or BOOTP, for that matter) on VM?
We've experimented with booting Linux guests via the VM TFTP, but it's
simpler to use the Linux equivalents. Does BOOTP even work with
non-PRIROUTER OSAs? Last I looked, it needed raw frame access, and you
didn't get that without
It is said that running the same DB2 batch job on an z/OS consumes
more
CPU, or in other words that z/VM if far more economical in use of CPU
resources. Is that a fact and if so, can anyone give me a good
indication
about the factor z/OS is more expensive...
It is definitely true that z/VM
On 11/7/06, Jim Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a way to track who is using the VM ftp client and the target
server address? We have a need to find who/what is ftping to specific
servers so that they can be converted to a new address and/or solution.
I was wondering if there is or
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Thanks for the tip, I would have missed that until later on.
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The jaw dropper here was from the consultants that keep asking for the
mainframe budget figures over and over. They just couldn't believe that we
were operating what we have for the costs. The mantra then became
performance. Everything was suddenly so slow that almost no one could get
there work
Bingo! Exactly what I needed. Thanks Rob!
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On Nov 7, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Steve_Domarski/
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The real issue here appears to be political.
Conservatives believe privatizing government will make government
smaller.
No one ever said it would be cheep.
Conservatism as you described is simply cronyism: yeah, it costs
I can tell I did not make myself very clear here. I will try to explain
what I'm looking for. Support for VAG on z/VM comes to an end. As a
result all our business VM applications will be converted to eventually
run on z/OS. I was asked to make a simulation of the costprize of the
to-be
Billing to the client is based on
CPU-seconds. Batch takes about 80% of system resources in terms of
cpu.
Given the same DB/2 batch job ( consider DB/2 on MVS being the same ),
same database volume, same z9 Server and so on, so take only z/VM and
the
z/OS cpu cycles into account, would there
How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
interrupt it or cancel it?
Type HX and press ENTER.
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How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in
a
HX or #CP IPL
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How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in
a
HX might work for you.
Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM
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Subject: runaway exec
How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
You might try HI (Halt Interpretation)
Joe P.
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Try hx, or #cp ipl cms
Bob Forward wrote:
How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
interrupt it or cancel it?
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HX
Or
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HX (Halt eXecution)
Regards,
Miguel Delapaz
z/VM TCP/IP Development
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wrote on 11/07/2006 08:55:06 AM:
How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages
in a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a
On Tuesday, 11/07/2006 at 10:55 CST, Bob Forward
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How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in
a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
interrupt it or cancel it?
hx [enter]
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM
HX might be what you are looking for.
Kurt Acker
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What they all said.
Another tidbit:
I've been
pressing [CLEAR] for hours now.
That must get seriously tedious. Check
out the CP TERMINAL MORE and CP TERMINAL HOLD commands (e.g. CP
TERMINAL MORE 0 0 HOLD OFF).
Certainly not a command you want to
use to let an erroneously looping command
You might want to issue the immediate command:
ts
to start a trace of the EXEC if you want to see what may be going wrong.
Neale
How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages
in a
loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
interrupt it or
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, or John's answer. The behavior
I've seen here is that both an automatic abend and SHUTDOWN REIPL will
IPL the module that's currently named CPLOAD MODULE. I always install
maintenance with SHUTDOWN REIPL, and QUERY CPLOAD verifies that I've
IPLed the new
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You might want to issue the immediate command:
ts
to start a trace of the EXEC if you want to see what may be going wrong.
Awww, Neal! You messed it up. I was expecting 130 more HX posts.
Wahhh.
Alan Altmark
Let me see if I can help clear it up any. Or make it worse. ( I would
bet... oh never mind!)
If you always use CPLOAD MODULE as the name and that is the last module
used to IPL with -AND- a CP SET IPLPARMS was NOT used to change the
location of it, then CP will load that module on a re-IPL either
On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 10:55:06AM -0600,Bob Forward Wrote:
} How do I make a runaway exec quit? It is spewing out error messsages in a
} loop. I've been pressing [CLEAR] for hours now. Isn't there a way to
} interrupt it or cancel it?
From OPERATOR or another class A user, force the userid.
What John has suggested is that if I want the module loaded when the system
IPLs following a crash to be different than the one last loaded, I need to use
the SET IPLPARMS command to specify the new module. That was the answer to what
I hoped I was asking :-) I am going to stage a new CPLOAD
But you couldn't type fast enough to get them all in :-)
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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On Nov 7, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Schuh, Richard wrote:
But you couldn't type fast enough to get them all in :-)
I think you meant:
Awww, Neal!
HX
You messed
HX
it up. I
HX
was expecting 130
HX
more HX
HX DAMMIT ALREADY
posts.
Wahhh.
#CP IPL CMS
I thought it was only Tuesday!
Having worked for the Leon County Court systems in Tallahassee, I would
suggest that your statements are not Politically Correct. They are true
but not PC.
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-588-4723
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Richard,
No need for the extra work. If you last IPLed with CPLOAD MODULE, and you
put a new one on the config disk as CPLOAD MODULE, then that's the one
that will be loaded. CP doesn't know about previous file dates/times,
just the filename and type (and the type had BETTER be MODULE!).
We
So counter propose a zSeries based solution - say using Linux in an IFL and DB/2 with some kind of Client/Server application. IBM has some GREAT support for that now.
Also talk to people like Dave Rivers (SYS/ASM) and Dave Bond (TACHYON) , both of whom frequent this list. They both have assembler
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always chose Windows. Regardless of what was said or done or needed.
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On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360.
I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall
a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the
I am working for a large gov't client. We worked *LONG* and *HARD* on
the z/series business case - over 1 year. This included a successful POC
showing that the platform (Oracle on linux on the mainframe using z/vm)
would work - not performance - but feasible. The result is a nascent
z9/ec
Yes, it's either a 360-20 or 360-25, I had to work on them
in the 60's.
Jeffry A. Kennedy
Certco,Inc
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The model 20 was a unique 360. It was made in Germany and had some quite
different supervisor-state opcodes (e.g. XIO for doing I/O). In my youth
I stumbled across the minutes of the local IBM User group (circa 1967)
and there was a big debate as to whether those with 360/20 should form
their own
Ah, yes, The Life of Brian. It's been a while since I've seen that movie.
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The 360/20 ran DPS Disk Programming System a subset of the regular 360
Instruction set. I still have my IBM System 360 reference Card
System/360 Model 20 x20-1727-5 its a white booklet form..
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Neale Ferguson wrote:
The model 20 was a unique 360.
Yes, the S/360-20 did look different. It was sort of a counter top with
a short backboard with some knobs and switches. I don't remember
anything that looked like the panel of the other S/360's or S/370's.
Jim
Steve Gentry wrote:
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It did sound like a S/360 20. it
had a MFCU (Multi Function Card Unit) on one end and a printer on the other. The
one I had was 8K.
Phil
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You might want to issue the immediate command:
ts
to start a trace of the EXEC if you want to see
what may be going wrong.
Awww, Neal! You messed it up. I
I have not done this personally, but your IOCP looks good to me provided
your PARTITION and PATHs exist. I don't believe point to point with
TYPE=FCP is supported on a z/800, but you appear to be okay there. I
believe certain firmware is needed to support TYPE=FCP. Are you sure
your z/800 has
That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :)
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I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at
the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one
that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE.
My roommate was
Gee, they are recycling names. Page 4 of
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_intro.html has a
label 705 Data Processing System. It seems to me that the first 705 morphed
to 705 Model 3 and then to 7080 or some such progression. I guess IBM ran out
of numbers and had
On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:38:50PM -0500,Steve Gentry Wrote:
} SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did
} not find the article. In doing some additional searching,
} I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small.
} Steve G
The model 20 was a
It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the upgrade from there was to a
360/mini-mod-22. the 360/25 would run 1401 emulation.
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Are you sure? It looks like the Tax Commission room in the basement of
the capital building. I am sure they had a 360-25 running DOS. We had a
360-50 (my roommates machine x2) and ran both OS/MFT and 1401 emulation
on it.
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It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the
On 11/7/06, Dennis Schaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My Linux guy has asked a question (one of many) I can't answer about Linux
memory/swap storage hierarchy and how VM affects that.
And I thought the paper on Linux swapping that I am working on would
answer every question one might ask...
Most of the early 360 machines had some kind of emulation on then. Where I was
stationed while in the Army, we were preparing for the installation of a 360/40
that had 1410 emulation. After I made it back to (civilian) life, my employer
had a 360/30 that ran TOS and had 1401 emulation. We also
Yes, I will have it available tomorrow.
Steve
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Stephen look here
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH2025.html
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StephenPFrazieVM wrote:
Are you sure? It looks like the Tax Commission room in the basement of
the capital building. I am sure they had a 360-25 running
Sure it is - the people at the top are probably pretty smart people, though they may not be knowledable in IT subjects. They speak in terms of money - so you just have to use the right language. As in dollars and cents make SENSE.
Very very rarely are their places where economic sense is totally
On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 01:18:54PM -0800,Dave Wade Wrote:
} And if you want it to run to end of job then HT
} might also do the trick
That only works on the faster processors. The ones that can do an
infinite loop in under 5 minutes. :-)
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Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign
Yep, I mean Linux Assembler application code driving 3270 client screens
really really fast.
Yes, not just assembler, but HLASM (the GOOD stuff!) running in a Linux
guest. Doing all sorts of neat
things, like printing, talking over the network, process control, and a
whole bunch more.
With
I do suspect that is where I orginally got them. I have found someone with
source code for an RXMD5 program that functions like the original. Now if I
could find someone/anyone with source code for a PIPEMD5, then I could include
that in my production process. Is Ross Paterson still lurking here?
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