Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread Maxim Bochagov
And plus. Please do not forget about contents of backuped data, it may be not compressable at all ;) So, this DASD requires maximum tape count. And a big number of clear DASDs (just formatted) may fit into one tape at the same time. The software compression case permits to calculate estimated

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread Jim Bohnsack
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR Question Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess= the only real way to to do it is just experimentation. I still seem to remember a program from long ago, and it may have been a VS= E program, that would tell you how

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread Jim Bohnsack
Just don't compress the data more than once. If hdwe compression is going to happen, don't let it be passed thru a s/w compression stage. Double compression isn't twice as dense or good. It probably will explode to more than you started with. Jim On 3/30/2011 11:36 PM, Tom Huegel wrote:

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread Mike Walter
:36 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: DDR Question Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess the only real way to to do it is just experimentation. I still seem to remember

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread Tom Huegel
System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/30/2011 10:36 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: DDR Question Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess the only real way to to do

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-31 Thread John Romanowski
Maybe you were thinking of the IBM DITTO product? It's available for VSE, VM/CMS and z/OS. Its tape map function reads a tape and tells you how many actual feet wer e written. From the DITTO manual: TMP (Tape Map) Purpose Summarize tape contents. For a specified number of files on the

DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Huegel
Hello all, I seem to remember from long ago a program, or option of DDR ( I sure can't find it now) that would do DDR DUMP and not actually produce an output tape but just print a byte count of what would have been dumped... Does anyone know what I am talking about? Tom

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Schuh, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: DDR Question Hello all, I seem to remember from long ago a program, or option of DDR ( I sure can't find it now) that would do DDR DUMP and not actually produce an output tape but just print a byte count of what would

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Huegel
*Subject:* DDR Question Hello all, I seem to remember from long ago a program, or option of DDR ( I sure can't find it now) that would do DDR DUMP and not actually produce an output tape but just print a byte count of what would have been dumped... Does anyone know what I am talking about

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Schuh, Richard
, 2011 11:37 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR Question That doesn't show the compressed byte count is (would be). The goal here is to be able to predict how many tapes I will need to do backups. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.commailto:rsc...@visa.com

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Rich Greenberg
On: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:37:00AM -0700,Tom Huegel Wrote: } That doesn't show the compressed byte count is (would be). The goal here is } to be able to predict how many tapes I will need to do backups. If you are doing hardware compression in the tape drive, I don't think there is any way for

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Duerbusch
If you are doing software compression, then, perhaps use the Pipe DDR stage and route it to the count stage. But knowing how much compression the hardware will donot obvious to me. However, once you do have a compressed tape, DITTO TMP will tell you how much tape the compressed dataset took

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Huegel
Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess the only real way to to do it is just experimentation. I still seem to remember a program from long ago, and it may have been a VSE program, that would tell you how many bytes would go to the tape, in fact I think it told

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Schuh, Richard
: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR Question Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess the only real way to to do it is just experimentation. I still seem to remember a program from long ago, and it may have been a VSE

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Huegel
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:37 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: DDR Question Slight brain fart, I didn't even think of hardware compression duh! I guess the only real way to to do it is just experimentation. I still seem to remember a program from long ago, and it may

Re: DDR Question

2011-03-30 Thread Schuh, Richard
[mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Huegel Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:32 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR Question I don't believe I ever worked with 200 bpi tapes, but I did work were we had 8 tape drives 6 were 800 bpi and 2 were 1600 bpi with the optional high