FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
We just completed an upgrade from z/VM 5.3 0602 to z/VM 5.4 0902 and now our CMS users are being forced off the system with the following: 10:58:32 GRAF L000F DISCONNECT SBAH USERS = 58FORCED BY SYSTEM 11:05:32 GRAF L0003 DISCONNECT JOSE USERS = 58FORCED BY SYSTEM Can

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 11:27 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com wrote: We just completed an upgrade from z/VM 5.3 0602 to z/VM 5.4 0902 and now our CMS users are being forced off the system with the following: 10:58:32 GRAF L000F DISCONNECT SBAH USERS

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Riedel, Alexander
: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: FORCED BY SYSTEM We just completed an upgrade from z/VM 5.3 0602 to z/VM 5.4 0902 and now our CMS users are being forced off the system with the following: 10:58:32 GRAF L000F DISCONNECT SBAH USERS = 58FORCED BY SYSTEM

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 11:27 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com wrote: We just completed an upgrade from z/VM 5.3 0602 to z/VM 5.4 0902 and now our CMS users are being forced off the system

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Riedel, Alexander
: FORCED BY SYSTEM That is exactly what I did. So I re-added it yesterday and scheduled a IPL for last night and it still is happening. SYS CONFIG Snippet: Enable, /* ENABLE THE FOLLOWING FEATURES */ Dynamic_I/O , /* ALLOW DYNAMIC I/O CHANGES

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Did you used the CPSYNTAX tool to check the system config for errors? Alexander -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:45 PM

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Walter
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/19/2010 11:08 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM We did not do a shutdown reipl. We did an IPL with a warm start do we need to do a cold start? Thank you, Scott

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Walter
. Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/19/2010 11:04 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM I did, no errors detected

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
. Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/19/2010 11:04 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM I did, no errors detected

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Altmark
SBAH USERS = 58FORCED BY SYSTEM 11:05:32 GRAF L0003 DISCONNECT JOSE USERS = 58FORCED BY SYSTEM That is not a disconnect *timeout*. That is the system *disconnecting* the user when they lost their telnet session. It's normal. If the timer was active, it would be minutes

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread August Carideo
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Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mark Wheeler
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:27:21 -0500 From: mike.wal...@hewitt.com Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Scott, snip I sure wish that there was something like a CP QUERY DISCTIMEOUT, and a CP SET DISCTIMEOUT, too! /* QTIMEOUT EXEC

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
No. Thank you, Scott -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of August Carideo Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM do you run Top Secret or another security manager

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
*-* Exit Thank you, Scott From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Wheeler Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:20 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:27:21 -0500 From: mike.wal

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 11:47 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com wrote: That is exactly what I did. So I re-added it yesterday and scheduled a IPL for last night and it still is happening. Good. And I

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread RPN01
Have you checked with these users to see if they are logging off when done, or just disconnecting from their sessions? Never overlook the human factor in all this. It may just be as simple as changing a user habit. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OC-1-18 200

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Walter
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/19/2010 12:19 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:27:21 -0500 From: mike.wal...@hewitt.com Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Walter
Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/19/2010 12:10 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 11:47 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Mark Wheeler
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:36:37 -0500 From: mike.wal...@hewitt.com Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Ah, HCPSYSCM PLXCOPY No wonder I didn't run across it when scanning ASSEMBLE files!:-( I found HCPTKDEF 'DISCONNECT_TIMEout',CONFLICT=34,NEXT

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 01:43 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com wrote: This just started happening with the upgrade from 5.3 0602 to 5.4 0902. Could there be a setting in TCP/IP? No, there is no setting in TCP/IP. It occurs when TCP/IP, PVM, YVETTE, or whoever

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread John Romanowski
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:52:48 -0400, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Thursday, 08/19/2010 at 01:43 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com wrote: This just started happening with the upgrade from 5.3 0602 to 5.4 0902 . Could there be a setting in TCP/IP?

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-08-19 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
That section is completely commented out. Thank you, Scott -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of John Romanowski Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:45 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Thu, 19

FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
I'm at a loss as to why our TEST (luckily) z/VSE system got FORCED. As far as I can tell it was active up until midnight: J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:30 01/11/10 J1 0050 OC001I PARTITION IN WAIT STATE FOR 05 SECONDS 23:59:31 01/11/10 J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
BY SYSTEM I'm at a loss as to why our TEST (luckily) z/VSE system got FORCED. As far as I can tell it was active up until midnight: J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:30 01/11/10 J1 0050 OC001I PARTITION IN WAIT STATE FOR 05

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Waters Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:19 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Add this stmt to your VM SYSTEM CONFIG: DISCONNECT_TIMEout OFF

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Wakser, David
. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: FORCED BY SYSTEM I'm at a loss as to why our TEST (luckily) z/VSE system got FORCED. As far as I can tell it was active up until midnight: J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:30 01/11/10 J1

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Robert Payne
I've had this happen before when the real 3270 console connection was broken and not a graceful disconnected. It was a CMS user in this case and not a VSE guest, so I got off easy. We run z/VM 5.2 and have some real 3174 (IBM and some clones) controllers with real Memorex 3270 devices for the

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM To take effect, that would require an IPL.No dynamic way of changing this? Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Wakser, David Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:20 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Frank: Probably because it was actually logged onto a terminal and had a CP READ (or a VM READ). Those are what the system forces off

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Bob Bates
/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:46 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Exactly what are the reasons (if there is more than one) that will cause CP for FORCE a user off? (If more than

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
CP Q SET Ray From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:46 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Exactly what are the reasons (if there is more than one) that will cause CP

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Wakser, David
Q SET will show if RUN is set on or off. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:46 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Exactly what

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Waters Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:43 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Frank, I looked but it appears you cannot set this command dynamically. Add it to your

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
No, add it to your VM PROFILE EXEC. See below. On the VSE CONSOLE, you can enter * CP Q SET Ray From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Bates Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:48 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Q SET has lots of things in there, RUN is last on line 1. Bob Bates Enterprise Hosting Services w. (469)892

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Bruce Hayden
terminal, and then that connection was broken but a CP DISC command wasn't entered. That makes your virtual machine go into a CP READ state without a terminal and then 15 minutes later, the default disconnect timeout period ends and you are forced by the system. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
: FORCED BY SYSTEM No, add it to your VM PROFILE EXEC. See below. On the VSE CONSOLE, you can enter * CP Q SET Ray From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread fjpohlen-maill...@gmx.de
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] *On Behalf Of *Wakser, David *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:20 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Frank: Probably because it was actually logged onto a terminal and had a CP READ (or a VM READ). Those are what the system forces

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
76710 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of fjpohlen-maill...@gmx.de Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:02 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Frank, the SET RUN ON doesn't hold the system when

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
if 01F goes down or is disconnected. Ray From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hayden Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM While SET RUN ON is a good idea for a server running under VM

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 01/12/2010 at 09:43 EST, Ray Waters ray.wat...@opensolutions.com wrote: One thing that may of caused your VSE to be forced is your setting of RUN. If it is on, it should keep your VSE from being forced. You can do that, but it doesn't make the problem go away. SET RUN ON,

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 01/12/2010 at 10:02 EST, Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com wrote: Don?t have one?we simply IPL directly off of DOSRES. (Putting ?* CP SET RUNON? works just fine in $0JCL). We do other things from the $0JCL startup (like COUPLE to the VSWitch). Also consider the COMMAND

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Waters
Alan, Time to go back on your medication. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Tuesday, 01/12/2010 at 09:43

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Ron Schmiedge
:   (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas  76710 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of fjpohlen-maill...@gmx.de Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:02 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM Frank, the SET RUN

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 01/12/2010 at 11:35 EST, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote: Alan, what happens if CP reaches the limit of console messages that it will buffer? VM64357 and VM64461 changed the behavior of CP w.r.t. messages pending for a virtual machine console. For virtual-machine

Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM

2010-01-12 Thread Schuh, Richard
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM On Tuesday, 01/12/2010 at 11:35 EST, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote: Alan, what happens if CP reaches the limit of console messages