Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread David Boyes
Historically, what I had (VCTCA and IUCV connections), was P2P. With P2P you don't have a router address nor do you have a broadcast address. Just wasn't needed. Well, you do have a router address; it's just the other end of the link. The presence of broadcast depends on the type of media.

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread David Boyes
At the time, I sat down and wrote a sort of 'cookbook' approach to what I wanted, and how I got it, and David Boyes generously volunteered to set ut up as a pdf document on SNA's website. I'll be happy to provide similar service for this document as well. Anything that gives me an opportunity

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 01/22/2007 at 07:59 EST, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I assume the reason why Linux shows me a netmask of 255.255.255.255 for P2P connections is there is some code, No, there's only one host on the other end of the link, so you don't actually have a subnet on a P2P

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread David Boyes
In this I would agree, except to say watch out if you get into OSPF/RIP, because (according to our z/OS brethren) the OSPF protocol doesn't recognize non-subnetted networks and subnets are required (RFC 3021's 31-bit masks notwithstanding, I guess). Hmph. Class D routes and non-subnetted

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread Miguel Delapaz
This is why the OSPF configuration in z/VM 5.2 no longer allows a mask of 255.255.255.255. I'm not saying z/OS is necessarily correct, I'm just pointing it out to avoid further confusion. (Yeah, right. Sure.) Bug, IMHO. Valid route, should be valid syntax. The fact you *can* shoot

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jan 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Miguel Delapaz wrote: I agree, allowing customers to shoot them selves in various parts of their anatomy is *not* the tool's problem. However, it does become our problem when the shot is taken, they call us and their overall user experience is less than

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread David Boyes
Bug, IMHO. Valid route, should be valid syntax. The fact you *can* shoot yourself in the head is not the tool's problem. Your gun, your foot. [snip] I agree, allowing customers to shoot them selves in various parts of their anatomy is *not* the tool's problem. However, it does become our

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Hi Shimon The SNA website (Sine Nomine Associates, not SNA/VTAM), might solve half the problem, that is how to distribute the document. But, SNA is more of a Linux oriented company. Yes, there also has some VM related stuff. But I don't think that a VM shop without Linux, would really come to

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-22 Thread David Boyes
But, SNA is more of a Linux oriented company. Definitely *not* the case. That's just a small part of what we do. Part of my question to all, is there a VM oriented site for documentation and other practices? VSE has one. Linux has many. VM has a download area for tools, but I don't see

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-21 Thread Shimon Lebowitz
On 19 Jan 2007 at 12:38, Tom Duerbusch wrote: I'm not thinking of something as formal as a manual, or even a Redbook. Perhaps something a little more than the foils of some presentation. (Usually a presentation doesn't happen at the right time, and the right time here is prior to a

Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem (solved)

2007-01-19 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Well, imagine that, my test node (linux27) worked. I guess things work right when you do it the legit way.. Who would have thunk? So, now as I go back to try to correct my knowledge defect and get me on the right path... Historically, what I had (VCTCA and IUCV connections), was P2P. With P2P