Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Bill Bitner
Ed, You might want to check out the following URL: http://www.vm.ibm.com/perf/tips/z890.html A couple random thoughts: * The new box should have enough extra processor to make up for the loss of I/O Assist. * You have enough memory to get around the paging possibility of V=V. * You might want

MP3K to Z890 .. Was: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Schadow
Ed What level of VSE are you on? Check the Z890 Buckets for VSE PTF's We did this same processor migration about 12 months ago. mp3k/h30 to z890(2086) 160. 210 MIPS is great... We were bale to have both systems on the floor and operating so the cut over was pretty painless.. We kept our

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Bill Bitner
3) Could you (would you) elaborate on DIMM exploitation? DATA spaces Or what else? For VSE, virtual disk in storage (both in VSE and VM) might be worth exploring. I'm not familar enough with various VSE DIM options in terms of buffers and such. And MDC is tied back to the dedicated DASD

RES: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
If you check Bustech Inc site, you can install a Netshuttle or a Man and never more change from OSA to Internal nics or reconfigure OSA when move again. They are Escon control units and all you will need is to unplug from escon port in old machine and plug it in new one. Ahhh and of course build a

Re: MP3K to Z890 .. Was: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Eric, Thanks for the info. I have all the Z890 VSE/ESA bucket ptfs on and Being tested (BETA-SYS, TEST, and VSE261 systems). I should be moving over to PROD soon. I am more worried about the OSA-Express GbE SX (2 cards for 4 ports) and the OSA-Express 1000Base-T Ethernet

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Bodra, We have a Bus-Tech with the Escon channels working for z/VM and my Beta-Sys. Still only 100 mb. More Power, Scotty! We need more power! Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM

RES: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-25 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
Ed, There are in Bustech site an info about 10/100/1000 MAN and NETSHUTLE devices. -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Edward M. Martin Enviada em: quinta-feira, 25 de maio de 2006 14:20 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: Re:

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-24 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 5/24/06, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you explain this a little better. please? Oh, and have a look at what you're using expanded storage for right now. Make sure not to set MDC not to use expanded storage, but use it for paging only. With current 64-bit z/VM in

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-24 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 5/24/06, Bill Bitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the caveats of using MDC and Xstore is whether your workload is CMS or VSE based vs. Linux. Many of the traditional Another big one I learned was that before z/VM 5.2 the code path caused the virtual machine page go under the bar even

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-24 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Everyone, Thank you all for the info about XSTORE, paging, MDC, and the like. I would like your opinions on what I am doing planning right now. We are running a MP3000 with 2gig total, no Xstore defined. One V=R, 2 V=F, and bunches of V=V machines. Paging is near

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-24 Thread Rich Smrcina
Sounds good to me. But, because of that silly HSA you won't actually have anything close to 8GB available, it will likely be closer to 7GB. But you're allocation idea is sound. On Wednesday 24 May 2006 11:02 am, Edward M. Martin wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you all for the info about

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Rich Smrcina
z/VM still uses expanded storage for multi-tiered paging. It is suggested to allocate expanded storage for a smoother VM paging experience (in the event VM actually has to do any paging). On Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:44 pm, Robert Payne wrote: Since we implemented z/VM 5.2 about a month ago, I

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Robert Payne
Yes, but since our page rate is 1 I'm wondering if what we may gain with 8G main would be more than lost during those rare occasions that it does really have to page to DASD which in this case is a shark (ESS 2105). Maybe splitting hairs. Thanks Rich. -Original Message- From: The IBM

z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Robert Payne
Title: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory Since we implemented z/VM 5.2 about a month ago, I changed the memory configuration to 6G main and 2G xstore. With our typical workload, the page rate is 1 per second. We run 2 VSE guests normally, but the last few weeks I've also had a 3rd

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 5/23/06, Robert Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but since our page rate is 1 I'm wondering if what we may gain with 8G main would be more than lost during those rare occasions that it does really have to page to DASD which in this case is a shark (ESS 2105). Maybe splitting hairs. So

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Marty Zimelis
I'd be inclined to go with Rich's suggestion. While it's true that your z/VM isn't paging much now, there will almost certainly come a time when it will. Rather than suffering erratic response time due to paging directly to DASD (even the Shark's cache is on the wrong end of the channel cable)

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Marcy Cortes
How about a system that is paging with 16G currently divided 12/4 and is z/VM 5.2. Would it be happier on say 14/2 split? It depends huh... Whenever I look it seems to be paging at 500 per sec to xstor and 100-500 to DASD. Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Robert Payne
Thanks for all the replys. It may just be a case of me not leaving well enough alone :) I may try 7G main and 1G XSTORE just for grins. Thanks, Bubba

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 5/23/06, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a system that is paging with 16G currently divided 12/4 and is z/VM 5.2. Would it be happier on say 14/2 split? It depends huh... Whenever I look it seems to be paging at 500 per sec to xstor and 100-500 to DASD. Most likely your

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Rich Smrcina
Since your paging to DASD at that rate, I'd be inclined to say no (more knowledgable answers may prevail, though). More xstor (10/6, 8/8) may increase your xstor rate, but will it reduce your DASD rate? (I don't expect you to answer, that's more of a Marty question). On Tuesday 23 May 2006

Re: z/VM 5.2 on z800 with 8G of memory

2006-05-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 5/23/06, Robert Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may try 7G main and 1G XSTORE just for grins. Sure... if you expect stock to go down tomorrow, you only spend half of your savings to buy some so you will not lose all your money ;-) Rob