From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a
back that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle
so dont know what you would call that. is HE round??
Hi Janice,
This is fascinating! Does he hollow his back
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a
back that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle
so dont know what you would call that. is HE round??
This is fascinating! Does he hollow his back when he paces? I would think
it is not
There is a dressage symposium on rfdtv this week, some famous german
dressage guy giving it. he says something interestingh i thought, not
maybe really to do with this exact topic, but in the show he says I
want you all to understand that German dressage as we know it was
developed for the
First, let's define round or roundness, so that we can see if we're
all in agreement of the definition, and what to look for in round /
roundness. Definition?
Well, I guess it's one of those terms that is a continuum, something seen in
degrees, with no absolute end-point. Since I'm a pleasure,
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a back
that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle so dont
know what you would call that.
I think roundness is defined going the length-wise direction of the horse - if
we look for roundness around the
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't expect to see very much roundness in a
horse at liberty -
Then why would it be a goal under saddle?? To make
the horse conform to OUR ideals?
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
is HE round??
He's not obviously hollow in that picture, is he? I'd bet he looks pretty
different though when he's in a different mindset, speeding along..?
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves
in a rounded way. when
nasi round??
Janice
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I don't expect to see very much roundness in a horse at liberty -
Then why would it be a goal under saddle?? To make the horse conform to
OUR ideals?
No, because horses aren't really built to carry weight. So they need help
learning to use their backs if we're going to ask them to do
well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves in a
rounded way. when just standing around. is it roach back? I think
probably so...So its hard for me to understandd a lot of this conversation.
Since he is never hollow even when he's hollow, cause his spine
Since I'm a pleasure, I don't even think in terms of a significant
degree of roundness
Uh...excuse me. I think I should have said that I'm a pleasure RIDER. :)
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Hi Janice,
well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves
in a rounded way. when just standing around. is it roach back? I
think probably so...So its hard for me to understandd a lot of this
conversation. Since he is never hollow even when he's hollow, cause
his spine
On 7/9/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My first thought on looking at him is that he has a roach back. Which horse
is this? He doesn't walk with a pacey walk so it is interesting that he is
so pacey.
its Jaspar, and actually, his gait is changing lately and I dont know
why!
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a
back that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle
so dont know what you would call that. is HE round??
The back is not the sole focus of roundness.
The conformation of the back is different, of
My first thought on looking at him is that he has a roach back. Which
horse is this? He doesn't walk with a pacey walk so it is interesting that
he is so pacey.
I think that's another of the terms that are hard to describe in e-mail, if
we don't have specific benchmarks to judge our terms by.
Think you had it right the first time.
Nancy
Twist, who is of course not an Icelandic, did a hard pace at the track (STB)
and under saddle. He has a lovely lazy canter and an emerging ability to
trot.
I have read that some Standardbreds find it very difficult to canter,
probably because of that wired-in paciness.
Nancy
The greatest
i am toying with the idea of bringing jaspar to the Liz clinic. For
one thing, it would be interesting to see what she could do with a
lost cause. as for his paceyness, is the degree of paceyness based
on how often they pace, or how awful it is. because the latter was
how I was judging it. His
I have read that some Standardbreds find it very difficult to canter,
probably because of that wired-in paciness.
I've only know a half dozen Standarbreds, but I'd expect them to have a
similar range of gaitedness (per individual, and across the breed) as most
gaited breeds. I know one who
Here's another picture of a horse that is round. His pelvis is engaged
(his *hindquarters* are engaged). Both hind feet are under his mass. His
croup is lower than his withers. His underline is shortened.
That picture clearly shows the croup being lower than the withers. I think
it's
For instance, my stock-type QH are built downhill
That should have read, MANY stock-type QH. Duh. Need more coffee!
Karen Thomas, NC
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it's important to remember, that many
horses (most?) simply aren't built to achieve that
degree of roundness.
You said it right there - that DEGREE of roundness,
but, admit it or not, Stormur has some degree of
roundness in that picture, and
I do see it and that's what confounds me.
Susan, what do you see? What are you looking at that says round?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
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On 06/07/07, Mary Arena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have the knowlege of the easy gaits that many of you do, but I've
been riding this horse for 11 years and believe that I do know a hollow back
when I'm sitting on one! I also know the feeling of a horse elevating his
back. If you can't
Wanda Lauscher wrote:
Why not give us some suggestions on how you achieved getting a pacey
horse to keep a healthy back?
Hi Mary,
I would also love to know how you keep a pacey horse's back healthy. I
believe my Kopar is more to the pacey side and he never trots. Right
now, I walk
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan, what do you see? What are you looking at
that says round?
Not the roundness that you showed in those dressage
pictures, but at least a levelness that a lot of
horses don't even achieve in trot. I am looking at
his topline. I agree, he is a lot
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan, what do you see? What are you looking at
that says round?
Not the roundness that you showed in those dressage
pictures, but at least a levelness that a lot of
horses don't even achieve in trot. I am looking at
his topline. I agree, he is a lot
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing is was the list of criteria she described
for a nicely moving horse...and one of those traits
was forwardness.
So in regards to Stormur, are you saying he isn't
forward in the picture? If you're not saying that,
why are you mentioning it?
.maybe I'm just in a sensitive mood today.
Don't worry about it; we'll continue the discussion when Mary is back and
free of her company.
There's so much more to take a look at. The piaffe-type pictures were just
the introduction to BIG (obvious) roundness.
When we learn something new, it's
From: Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's another picture of a horse that is round.
His pelvis is engaged (his *hindquarters* are engaged).
Both hind feet are under his mass.
His croup is lower than his withers.
His underline is shortened.
Hi Judy,
Thanks for providing the great
--- Mary Arena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you can't see it in pictures, I don't have time
to jump through hoops, trying to prove it.
Hi Mary,
I do see it and that's what confounds me. I think it
is truly amazing that he can at least be neutral if
not literally round at the pace. I, for
(in regard to the dun horse)... His pelvis is engaged, which is the
first sign to look for in roundness.
How do you tell if the pelvis is engaged?
It is tipped down and rolled forward.
When it is disengaged, it is tipped up and out towards the rear.
A clue is to look to see where the anus
On 7/5/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's an Icelandic Horse that is exhibiting roundness (not necessarily
collected, but round).
Per the definition, the circle bisects the mouth of the horse, the shoulder
of the rider, and includes all four feet.
His pelvis is engaged, which is
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